There’s this company called Seriosity. They produce some sort of software that integrates with MS Outlook to help you sort through your email more efficiently. Specifically, they have a virtual currency system using a currency they call Serios. They use their virtual currency like this:
- Each user generates for himself a fixed amount of Serios per X time period. It’s equal for all users.
- When you send an email, you can attach a certain amount of Serios to it.
- Your email client can/will display the emails with the greatest number of Serios attached on top.
- You keep the Serios attached to emails sent to you you (though presumably they’ll have to implement some sort of tax or other way to take currency out of the system as otherwise they’ll have massive inflation problems).
Essentially, then, they’re creating a currency of attention. The more emails you get, the more Serios you’re likely to get, giving you the ability to send more Serios to other people than you would be able to otherwise.
I’d never heard of this until today, when I got an email from an acquaintance (as he’s been outed now, it’s Associate Professor Edward Castronova…amusingly, he studies virtual stuff). He had sent an email to a lot of people he knew letting people know that from now on he’d be prioritizing whom he responded to by how many Serios were attached to the emails to him.
Here was my response:
“If I didn’t respect you and know that you mean well, I think my response to getting the email you sent would be to be a little pissed.
To be told that someone is going to delay answering my emails unless I attach some random virtual currency to it prompts a combination of incredulity and just general annoyance at the implication that getting an email from me isn’t important based on the content of the email and the recipient’s relationship with me. I don’t pay people I have relationships with to talk to me.
I have two active companies. I get and send as much email as anyone. This system would cause me to have to spend more time answering and sending emails than I do now. Why do I want to worry about how many Serios to allocate, and why would I permit the sender to determine how important an email is to me?
For instance, a random recruiter mails me. To him, it’s very important. I’ve gotten three emails previously that day from people just like him in other companies though. While I appreciate his point of view, from my point of view it ranks very low on the importance scale. Why would I want to permit him to determine what I prioritize my life around? I know what’s important to me. The sender does not.
Beyond that, the whole thing is just demeaning. Business is built on relationships as much as anything else. Seriosity is seriously mistaken if it thinks that people want to have to worry about ‘bidding’ to get the attention of business partners/employees/superiors. I find the idea of participating in it…yucky.
–matt, from the bottom of your inbox.”
So what do you think? Am I missing a bigger picture here? Is this something you’d want to participate in? I just can’t imagine spending the mental overhead on what amounts to a game that just gets in my way when I use email almost entirely as a business tool.
P.S. Have a look at the comments thread. They’re almost entirely negative.
P.P.S. There are a couple of threads on Terranova (both of whose comments sections are broken) started by Edward on this. In the first, he defended his decision to ignore people who aren’t using Serios. In the second, he decided that he did the big thing, apologized for offending people, and agreed that it was a mistake to try this.
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January 9th, 2009 at 3:43 am
Irune
If any of my friends/colleagues start using this I guess they won’t be talking with me a lot.
Apart from the stupidity letting the sender decide how important a message is (I am positive the spammers trying to sell me pills think their mails are the most important thing in the world) I am against having to join anything just to be able to communicate with people I already have a relationship with and find it quite offensive from them as well.
Would very much prefer a system where I can assign priorities depending on the sender and subject… oh, wait, that’s called mail filtering rules… Dammit, somebody got my get rich quick idea first, again.
January 9th, 2009 at 4:25 am
Sulka Haro
My first thought is - check the headers of the email, to see how easy would it be to have each email contain a billion Serios.
I agree with the premise of information overflow causing issues, but I don’t think I’d ever participate in using this system. To me it sounds like the system is just moving the overhead from the receiver to the sender, so no actual gain occurs in the efficiency of communication.
January 9th, 2009 at 4:29 am
Kyre
This system was, in theory, supposed to only be internal–a company using this to try and prioritize its internal e-mail. Things of high importance to you as a worker would have Serios attached to them. Things of no importance would not. Of course, on the internet at large? The idea goes from silly, but of potential limited usage…to downright ridiculous.
January 9th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Wolfe
This does not appear to be very thought out as incentive structure for mor efficient email handling anywhere. Removing redundant emails might save some significant expenses in places but this seems like it will collapse on itself very fast.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Pentharian
While I think it doesn’t at all really work with E-mail, I sort of see it as paralleling physical mail. Consider that you spend a certain base price to send USPS first class letters, normal mail. If you want it priority, you spent X amount more. if you want to fedex it, you spend more. If you want to overnight it, you spend more. ASAP where it goes on the next commercial passenger jet in baggage, even more.
The problem with this is that email all moves at the same speed (unless the tubes are clogged at the time cause someone dumped something on the interwebs…), so the only thing left that you can have an effect on is priority in view.
No one even uses the “send as important” option anyway, except for universities trying to get money from alumni.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Steve
The whole idea of this is insulting and demeaning. Maybe the execs at Seriosity live in some kind of alternate reality to me, but I think for anyone on this planet, importance is both contextual and fluid. I would potentially pay for a product or service that graded my email based on importance, but it would have to be based on my criteria, not the senders. That would be who it’s sent by, on what subject, and when. A heuristics system which would no doubt have much in common with a spam filter, but in reverse, would seem to be the most logical approach. This idea is just silly and smacks of yet another poorly thought out internet business which somehow managed to attract investment.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:01 am
jason
Odd, because I use the “send as important” feature in Outlook all the time. And by “all the time” I mean on the occasion that I am sending an email that I feel needs to be addressed by the recipient immediately. And by “immediately” I mean before tomorrow. Anything more important than that is what they made phones for.
January 9th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Scott
Well, it is trying to address a core problem with email - that sending it is free to the sender. Thus 80% of internet traffic is spam, or some similarly mindbogglingly unbelievable figure. The economy of email is fundamentally broken. There have been proposals to make “postage due” emails where you have to attach a micropayment of 1/2c or so per email, which would be trivial for even power email users and bankrupt spammers. But of course there’s no feasible way to actually implement this, and Seriosity hasn’t really solved the problem.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Steven Davis
Got the same message yesterday. Filed it under the wildly stupid ideas email category and deleted it.
The idea of using currency for email has been bandied about for a while… and totally failed for the reasons you and the previous commenters noted.
It is also interesting in that the “white email list” fad seems never to have caught on.
Irune picked up the key problem - the asymmetric value of email between the sender and receiver.
I spent a little time thinking about this and what is amazing is how “stupid” our email clients are. They don’t help us manage all of this material very well, they don’t help us avoid “dumb” things like sending a mass mail out with everyone’s addresses shared, etc.
Has anyone “improved” the email client since Outlook 97?
Totally depressing.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Steven Davis
On second consideration, maybe having a “Serios” email client would be handy (purely for internal use, not to bother my acquaintances with):
My email client would score email based on how quickly I opened it from when I “saw” it, whether I filed or deleted it, etc. to sort my inbox a bit better.
January 9th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Melf_Himself
That’s a really cool idea at first, until you realise that it’s completely useless.
January 9th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Adrian Crook
This is the brainchild of a Stanford prof. He talked about it at the first Virtual Goods Summit, IIRC.
I agree with everything that’s been said here. No way I’d use it.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Scott Hartsman
I think you’re pretty much spot on, Matt.
Viral-spread email services like (say) Plaxo at least offered some benefit to the recipient for joining up.
Take successful, viral *anything*, and there’s always some positive benefit - whether it’s the assumption of laughter, a useful service, or what have you.
Conversely, the proposed incentive of this program is 100% turn-off: “I won’t start ignoring your email.”
Brilliant. Let’s *bully* virality into people!
After looking, I just learned these are the same folks who did the study with IBM and the announcement that “Online Gaming is Good For Business - Similar skillset for gaming, business success” that got all that press a couple years ago. So much for any remaining credibility.
“Read my EMail. I’m super serios, guys.”
Mmm. No.
January 9th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Mike Sellers
I received the same email Matt, and share the same respect and understanding of good intentions you have.
But I completely agree with you and most of the other comments here. This system (and company!) woefully and really surprisingly misunderstands the nature of email exchanges, asymmetric value in relationships, perceived value of an email on the part of sender and viewer, and a host of other issues.
Among other low-hanging fruit, there’s simply gaming the system: how difficult is it for me to sign up a million accounts on my domain and have them each send me a thousand messages with all their serios, so that I become the Serioes King? And then there are socio-economic issues: if the system isn’t adopted, how do its users deal with an illiquid serios market? If it _is_ adopted, how does the population deal with the hyper-inflation built into the system? How does the system balance between open and closed mail systems, or for the information hoarders, who now gain disproportionate “serioes” power — or even for those who figure out that by being on more serioes-driven mailing lists — and thus wasting more corporate time — that they actually increase their email-economic power. The list quickly becomes dizzying.
All that said, I feel for these guys. If nothing else, this may turn out to be a cautionary tale (”when virality goes wrong”) of believing in an idea without adequately road-testing it in the wild first. We all know how many nay-sayers you encounter for any idea you come up with, and how often they’re wrong. But sometimes… the critics are right.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Jessica Mulligan
When the email arrived in my inbox, my first thought was somewhat less forgiving than Matt’s: “What an arrogant ass.”
I don’t disagree with the points posted here. In fact, this ’system’ was made to be gamed. Perhaps we should all set up mail servers, become serios multi-billionaires and send the company the same high-serios email:
“Needs some work.”
January 10th, 2009 at 2:21 am
Nerd Rage
I can’t decide if I would treat serios-based emails like bumper stickers and recognize them as a thoughtful gesture from the sender meant to indicate to me that I should never talk to them again, or if I would calmly walk down to their office and club them with their desk phone handset. Either way, getting an email like that would piss me off.
January 11th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
adam
When this came out a while back, I filed it as an example of web people trying desperately to re-purpose games as one of the tools in their toolbox (alongside metrics, alphas, email-gathering, addressbook spamming, etc) - i.e. good intentions but laughably stupid idea that wouldn’t stand up for 30 seconds if voiced aloud in front of any professional game developers. Or anyone who actually plays games regularly and has a basic understanding of what a game is.
c.f. item number 3 on: http://t-machine.org/index.php/2008/10/22/cultural-differences-game-developers-vs-web-developers/
“The economy of email is fundamentally broken.”
What? No.
The economy of email is almost perfect, it’s anarchic, free of interference, free, receiver-controlled (@”return receipts”: oh how we laugh at you) and provides a lowest-common-denominator over which you can layer just about anything you want. I even get it 100% for free on my phone (thanks to contract-less data services on iPhone) saving me from paying for SMS’s.
There are major technical and operational problems, but the economics are great.
NB: very few people possess my cell phone number. My voicemail message explains that if you leave a message I’ll never collect it, and you’d better send me an email instead if you want me to hear you. Email puts control of other people’s queries and requests entirely in *my* hands, and let’s me trivially scan, triage, and handle requests. Even IM is less efficient. Without a system akin to current email there’s no way I could manage as many projects and give as much time to other people as I do.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Matt Mihaly
Thanks for the comments, all. Pretty unanimous agreement here!
It’s kind of funny that googling “Seriosity” brings up this blog post as the 4th result.
January 12th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
F. Randall Farmer
Ted gets no more email from me until he rescinds the Serio requirement.
I’ve already invested plenty in that relationship.
If he feels otherwise, well, then, it’s over.
;-)
Randy
January 12th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Katherine
I don’t think it’s that bad, in principle, for intra-office stuff only. The person who forwards on FW:FW:FW: Lololololol this is sO FUNNY you gUyS would have very few serios to go between messages, so you could set a filter to auto delete messages from them with below a certain number of serios attached, and only get the work-related ones. The amount to divide would vary according to each person you received email from, however. It clearly needs work.
The main person I see using the “High Importance” setting in outlook at my workplace is the receptionist. Who uses it for everything. The main email she sends? THE SUSHI LADY IS HERE FOR THE NEXT 10 MINS (this message is ranked as high importance.) Needless to say I soon set those to auto-delete.
January 13th, 2009 at 4:09 am
dave mcclure
matt: late to the party, but i think the solution is to make the point assessment more passive based on other heuristics & cues than active. not exactly sure at first glance how to do this, but message frequency, directionality, # of recipients / cc’s, and/or perhaps information from other social networks could provide enough information.
basically, the idea is to let some algorithm score an “importance factor” to any email (based on the recipient’s perspective), and correspondingly increase / decrease priority via some UX highlights.
i don’t think it’s impossible, altho sounds like they’ve chosen a non-optimal solution (initially, anyway).
January 13th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Mike Sellers
Any purely algorithmic approach to this is destined to fail, because how people value email is a social issue — even in the corporate context– not a technical one. Similarly no solution where the sender determines value will work, because the importance of an email is much more dependent on the recipient’s view of it (and clearly this will vary from receiver to receiver — someone may be *dying* for sushi, to use Katherine’s example, in which case the status of the sushi lady is pretty important, even though it’s noise to most everyone else).
I have to admit I’m boggled by the idea that no one on the Seriosity team thought through these issues and questions, and that they apparently don’t have ready answers for them in their implementation or on their site.
Personally though I’d love to see a case study of a large high-tech company using serios with all their email, just to see them begin to understand how quickly people will game and otherwise subvert the system. This is the kind of issue that’s commonplace in MMO economic design, and shows how, even without swords or lasers, such issues are popping up in contexts that we wouldn’t normally think of as mainly social, let alone game-related.
(BTW Matt, as of this morning, your blog is the #3 result when you google Seriosity. Congratulations.)
January 13th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Tim
I got this email too, and sort of laughed in a, “WTF?” way at it. I was glad to see this post and the Terra Nova thread come up and open it for discussion.
What struck me really is the almost arrogance of it at a personal level. I’ve very briefly met Ted a few times, and honestly he’s always struck me as aloof and even egotistical. I definitely got the, “I am a busy guy and too busy to chat with you because I don’t know you” brushoff a few times. I suppose I should have wrapped a 20 dollar bill around a note saying, “Hey I’m working on a Multiverse based educational MMO with a student team as well - maybe we should chat!” Then we could have conversed on this shared topic.
And as a side note, references to Oprah made me think that if Ted married Oprah she’d be Oprah Castronova. What a name! Ted Winfrey just sounds like a New Age music composer’s name.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:41 am
Tim
To kind of summarize and/or rephrase my post above, I think the root cause of the heated responce is a) the sender of the email’s reputation, and b) how the email was phrased.
For example one might have chosen a group, say a linkedin group and asked them to participate in an experiment with Serios as a group. Or simply propose the idea and asked, “What do YOU think of this?”
January 14th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
F. Randall Farmer
Ted has rescinded his position and apologized.
January 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
John
I cannot wait to eat a big bowl of multi-grain Serios!
Who is with me?
January 23rd, 2009 at 7:52 am
Batman
sorry buddy, you’ve dropped to 5th on the google search
February 10th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Erik Bethke
There was a great Harvad Business Review article about applying lessons from guild leaders to business… the gist of the article was that they were surprised to learn leadership didn’t matter - but it was the game systems that mattered.
They discussed this email system there and that some Fortune 500 company paid for this system to be installed and loves it…
Google I hear has about 800 emails per day for the average developer…
-Erik
February 10th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Matt
If Google has 800 emails per day for the average developer the problem should be solved by simply restricting who can send mass email within the company. Seriosity certainly doesn’t solve things. When your boss emails you, he should not need to attach a currency to it to get you to pay attention.
It’s possible that a Fortune 500 company has installed this and used it, but then, there are outliers for everything. I think the near-universally bad reaction to Ted’s attempt to force people to use Seriosity does not bode well for it.