Virtually Blind, Benjamin Duranske’s blog focused on law in virtual worlds, has been covering the collapse of a Second Life scam perpetrated by a guy in Sao Paolo named recently that makes for a fun read. It’s best to read the articles in the order he wrote them to follow what went on. I’ll summarize each one briefly as well.
- Ginko Financial Suspends then Limits Withdrawals; Head ‘Nicholas Portocarrero’ Calls it a “Bank Run,” Tells Depositors to “Calm Down - This is where it begins. Ginko Financial was a “company” in Second Life that let people “deposit” Linden dollars (which may be legitimately traded for real money and are, thus, real, legal assets) and then withdraw them from virtual ATMs. It pitched itself as a bank, but the difference was that it was claiming it would return outrageous rates on your deposits. They were promising .19% daily return on your money (compounded that’s 100% annually!). How could they achieve such an absurdly high rate of return? Clearly, they could not, and were simply funding the returns on initial deposits with the money people deposited later on. A Ponzi scheme, in other words, as noted by The Journal of the Business Law Society at U of Illinois Law College.
As Benjamin notes in this article, a few days ago Ginko Financial stopped letting people withdraw money altogether and then began limiting their withdrawls to about $19/day, claiming that they had “invested” most of the deposits and couldn’t provide liquidity for their depositors. The head of Ginko, who is so trustworthy he won’t even reveal his actual, real-life name (Benjamin ferreted it out however. It’s Andre Sanchez), advised depositors to ‘calm down.’ After all, when you’re ripping people off you want to do it in peace and quiet. Who wants to listen to a bunch of your scam victims bitching at you? You’ve got free money to spend!
- Commentary: Ginko Financial is Either a Fraud or Negligently Managed - Benjamin runs the numbers showing that Ginko almost certainly outright lied about its total deposits.
- Commentary: Ginko Bank Run Update - Day Four - We discover that Andre Sanchez (known as Nicholas Portecarrero in-game) is going to try to do an “IPO” on an in-world “stock market” to cover the deposits. That alone pretty clearly demonstrates that Ginko is/was a Ponzi scheme.
- Interview with Ginko’s ‘Nicholas Portercarrero’ - Benjamin interviews Andre/Nicholas, who has serious brass balls. He claims that it was an “objective fact” that he could pay depositors 100% annual returns on their investment. How? Why….he’d just pay them out of his own pocket. Yeah, that’s going to scale well. Andre spends the whole interview avoiding giving any answers about anything substantive.
- Ginko Financial Claims to be Acquiring AVIX - We discover that Ginko wants to IPO in order to….buy the “stock market” it is IPOing on. This is while it can’t even cover a fraction of the deposits it claims its customers have made.
- Commentary: Ginko Not “Buying” AVIX; IPO Off - It all falls apart. There’s a long chat session transcript with Benjamin, Andre and some other SL people that’s fun to read if only to marvel at the sheer disdain for other people’s money that Andre has. At one point he informs them that even though Ginko wants to “go public” it does not plan on releasing past profit and loss statements.
What baffles me about this is that, say what you will about Second Life, its interface if freaking unfriendly to the average joe and simply figuring out how to use SL and make a deposit with Ginko qualifies you as more tech-savvy, at least, than the average person. I always presumed that the only way the Nigerian scams work (and they apparently do work) is when said Nigerians manage to victimize elderly, half-senile folks. I don’t think that a half-senile person could manage to use Second Life leaving me wondering who the heck had so little common sense as to deposit money into something that was, from the get-go, obviously a scam? There’s something about virtual worlds that seem to make some people check their common sense at the door.
As for Andre, when I worked in the financial industry we had a word for people like him: Criminals. He and his co-conspirators should be prosecuted under applicable banking and securities fraud laws though I don’t expect to see that really happen. There’s still too big of an impenetrable legal cloud around in-world actions for the SEC or whoever the relevant body would be to take action, though I think there’s enough money involved here (several hundred thousand US dollars in claimed “deposits”) that they should. Benjamin is considerably nicer than I am and allows that Andre and his fellow scam artists might just be kids in over their heads but I don’t buy it. They ripped people off, flat-out, in an illegal Ponzi scheme. That’s malicious, not misguided.
(P.S. I’ve got nothing against Brazil. I love your jiu-jitsu!)
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August 8th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
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July 31st, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis
Add Australia to the list. One of the “stock markets” in SL is being “run” by a 24-year old:
http://playnoevil.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/1442-World-Stock-Exchange-in-Second-Life-Allegedly-Defrauded-Looks-Like-an-Insider-Job.html
Gagh! It took me all of 10 minutes to figure out that this was a scam.
That 3D mailbox is looking better and better.
August 1st, 2007 at 4:09 am
Jonas Antonsson
But what is it that horribly blinds people to an obvious scam? How and where do you get over that “trust threshold” that should act as a barrier for a normal person in a case like this? And one would think that the people that manage to “play” Second Life should be intelligent enough not to “fall for it”.
Is it a “social thing” - everybody is doing it - or is it related to “context trust” - something is within a context which I trust and, thus, my trust is transmuted to everyting that is there. Or is it something else entirely?
J#
August 1st, 2007 at 8:03 am
Brask Mumei
It is a lot simpler, Jonas. What blinds people is greed.
Ponzi schemes are very effective because they seem to “work”. You take a “rational” risk of a few dollars. And, what do you know, you really do get 19% daily return! So, the system “proven”, you invest more.
The initial investment is a throwaway, so no trust is necessary. After that, I guess you could claim that one has built trust because the initial investment saw the expected dividends. I think it would be more accurate, however, to say that the initial investment triggers the greed complex which then shuts off all the rational areas of the brain. “I put in $1 and got $1.19 the next day - imagine if it were $100,000!”
I think a mandatory part of elementary school education should be Ponzi and Pyramid scams.
August 1st, 2007 at 9:16 am
Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis
I did a bit of homework a while back on Pyramid and Ponzi schemes:
http://www.playnoevil.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/1310-Multilevel-Marketing-for-Games-And-a-Bit-of-Info-on-Pyramid-Schemes.html
The FTC actually has a great little “cheat sheet” for identifying them.
August 1st, 2007 at 6:36 pm
blachawk
Wow Matt, I think you’d be surprised to see the kind of person who falls for the Nigerian scams. It’s NOT who you think. It’s average white-collar folks with fairly large sums of cash that fall for them.
People who would give money to anyone claiming to pay an almost 70% APR clearly either knows absolutely nothing about money, or is willing to take a huge gamble. It’s like putting your money on a single number on the roulette table, except if your number hits, you only get 168.4%
The only person I know of capable of making such an investment and getting all the earnings and initial investment back is Hilary Clinton.
August 1st, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Brian 'Psychochild' Green
I think it’s a combination of greed and the way people let down their guard online. For some people, Second Life is “just a game” so it doesn’t register that something like this could be a scam for some people. Why would someone rip you off in a techno-utopian setting like Second Life?
It’s also important to remember that finance is still a mysterious field for some people. This scam worked like a bank: you put money in and got interest (it just happened to be a LOT of interest). But, people don’t understand that in order to pay that interest, the bank has to use that money and earn more money on it, often in the form of loans. For some people, the bank is like the grocery store: it just gets food, they don’t understand the whole agricultural infrastructure behind it.
But, as other people have pointed out, it’s the greed aspect that lets people get suckered in in the first place. A person paying attention should know that something like this is a scam. Unfortunately, greed allows that part of your brain to be silenced too easily.
My thoughts.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:37 am
Andrew Crystall
Matt,
You are aware of the… events in Eve Online, right?
For example;
The head of the Eve Investment Bank, a massive scheme with a reasonable return rate and a good-sized staff, walked off with 700 billion ISK because he got so sick and tired of a few people on the forums calling him a scammer he decided to BE one.
(Without telling the staff. But interestingly, the 200 billion ISK he left so all the private investors could be paid back? Never seen again…)
And there’s been other instances of fraud as well. And under their in-game rules? You can bite CCP, they’re not giving you your ISK back.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:07 am
Matt
Sure, fraud is as old as text MUDs but there’s a big difference, in my mind at least, between a world where the world operator encourages and promotes their world as an investment (second life) and one that promotes it as entertainment (eve).
In the case of the latter, I think it’s a jerk move but it’s also basically entertainment in the end. That isn’t the case for SL though. This wasn’t a “game bank.” This was a group taking effectively real money. (Yeah, I know the boundaries there are not clean and that the existence of grey/black markets for currency trading in entertainment worlds really muddies things.)
–matt
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:10 am
Andrew Crystall
Sure, Matt, they can be held liable for advertising as per Bragg’s claims.
August 9th, 2007 at 6:05 am
D. Hilbert
I was one of those who fell for this, but there were various factors on this:
1 - The L$ I put in Ginko were actually my tier stipends. Mostly “free money” (well, not that free but you get the idea), so I had already written off that money as “lost”.
2 - 0.09% doesn’t *sound* as such a high rate. This is a clever ruse used to hide the fact that the interest rate is in excess of, say, my Credit Card (which is 43% APR, very expensive). Living in Mexico, I am no stranger of things like this, back in the ‘94 market crash, supermarkets started showing prices for “half-kilos” instead of “kilos” so people wouldn’t see the price had gone 100% up.
3 - They had been the main bank. I actually found the Ginko ATM without knowing what the thing was in the first place! And they had lasted long enough to give some kind of trust. Then again, so did Ponzi … too bad it has been 7 years since I read about that Ponzi incident.
As an interesting note: I work in a RL bank. So even those of us that *do* know about finances screw up from time to time …
August 9th, 2007 at 9:58 am
Matt
That’s really interesting, D. Hilbert. Thanks for posting your experience! I hope you didn’t lose too much.
–matt
August 10th, 2007 at 12:24 am
Benjamin Duranske
Sorry I didn’t post earlier. Thanks a lot for the link. I’ve actually been sending people to The Forge for an overview of what happened and the coverage. I’ve read the site for a while, and I always appreciate your perspective.
Ben