A month ago I blogged about what is shaping up to be an interesting virtual world law case between an ex-Second Life user (Bragg) and Linden Labs (SL’s developer). I summarize the case at the very bottom of the post if you’re not familiar with it. That post talked about Judge Robreno’s ruling that he was declaring part of Linden’s ToS invalid, among other things. Linden has now filed its response to Bragg’s claims, as well as its counterclaims (they are suing Bragg now). You can find the court filing here.
There are some interesting statements made by Linden in its answer to and counterclaims against Marc Bragg (who is an attorney himself). Here are some selected quotes.
Second Life Not The Same Animal?
First, Linden wants to establish Second Life as something other than an MMORPG, saying:
“Defendants deny that Second Life is accurately characterized as a massively-multiplayer-online-role-playing game (“MMORPG”), although Second Life does share certain characteristics with such games (in that both are online environments rendered in three dimensions in which users are represented by avatars) and is sometimes compared with them in the media.”
and
“Defendants admit that Second Life has been referred to as a game, but aver that it is more accurately characterized as a three dimensional development platform or a computing platform.”
and
“Defendants specifically deny that Second Life is part of the MMORPG
“industry.””
and with classic Linden attitude:
“Defendants deny that “Second Life generally languished and trailed its peers in terms of participants,” as Second Life was unique, and not an MMORPG, and had no peers, and further deny that Second Life can be meaningfully compared to an MMORPG.”
I don’t see how they can deny they’re an MMORPG. They’re massively multiplayer, and they’re certainly a roleplaying game. All the furries, goreans, ageplayers, B&Ders, etc are roleplaying. Heck, there’s more roleplaying in Second Life than there is on your average WoW server. Linden’s even got a way to keep score: Linden dollars.
It’s also odd that Linden claims that Second Life cannot be meaningfully compared to an MMORPG. They released a press release on November 14th, 2003 (which you can find here on their website) in which Rosedale, their CEO and a defendant individually in the case, says,
“Until now, any content created by users for persistent state worlds, such as EverQuest® or Star Wars Galaxies™, has essentially become the property of the company developing and hosting the world,” said Rosedale. “We believe our new policy recognizes the fact that persistent world users are making significant contributions to building these worlds and should be able to both own the content they create and share in the value that is created. The preservation of users’ property rights is a necessary step toward the emergence of genuinely real online worlds.”
Is that not directly and meaningfully comparing Second Life with Everquest and SW:G? In fact, it’s not just comparing them. It’s admitting they’re they’re all persistent worlds and that Linden is implementing a feature that the others don’t have (just as Second Life doesn’t have, say, end-game raids as a feature).
Virtual Land
Now we move onto how Linden views the “land” that Bragg “bought.” They write:
“Defendants further admit that, subject to the Second Life Terms of Service and other applicable rules and policies, Second Life users may also purchase and sell representations of parcels of “land” in Second Life, hereinafter referred to as “virtual land.” Defendants deny that Second Life allows for the actual “conveyance of title” in “virtual land,” as “virtual land” is not property to which one may take “title,” but instead a license of access to Linden’s proprietary servers, storage space, bandwidth, memory allocation and computational resources of the server, which enables the experience of “land” and the things that one can do with “land” on the Second Life platform.”
and
“Defendants admit that Linden sells to Second Life users rights to “virtual land” in Second Life, namely, a license of access to Linden’s proprietary servers, storage space, bandwidth, memory allocation and computational resources of the server, which enables the experience of “land” and the things that one can do with “virtual land” on the Second Life platform. Defendants deny that “Linden no longer owns the very world they [sic] created.”
That’s all well and good, and that is reflected in reality. Virtual land is not land (just like a virtual sword is, in no way, a sword) but simply a set of permissions allowing the user to access computing resources and/or data. If only Linden had actually consistently taken this position I would have all the sympathy in the world for them in this case. However, Linden admits that:
“Rosedale was quoted as saying “We launched Second Life without out of world trade and after a few months we looked at it and thought, ‘We’re not doing this right, we’re doing this wrong.’ We started selling land free and clear, and we sold the title, and we made it extremely clear that we were not the owner of the virtual property.” Defendants aver that the references to “selling land free and clear” and selling “title” are metaphors or analogies to the concepts of ownership of real property, as what is “owned” with respect to “virtual land” in Second Life is in fact a license to computing resources.”
I think it’s one thing to make what may come to be looked at as a mistake (for all of us who “sell” virtual “stuff”) in language; saying we are “selling” a “thing” rather than selling a service that is virtually represented as a “thing”, in other words. We don’t really have a compact, convenient way to refer to what we sell at this point though, so we default to saying we “sell objects.”
However, I think that there’s a huge difference between using a language of convenience, and actually clarifying, as Rosedale did in the quote above, that what you mean is literally what you say: That users in fact own the virtual property, that Linden has granted them title to it, and that Linden does not own it.
Bragg’s complaint is, among other things, that Linden represented that it was selling virtual property that he would own and could freely trade or sell to realize a profit, and I don’t see how one can argue that Linden wasn’t representing that to the world when their CEO is making that very claim. That it’s a fairly nonsensical claim insofar as there is no property there to own doesn’t seem to make much difference. It strikes me as a classic bait-and-switch to proclaim that people can invest in property that they will have title to, make explicit that you do in fact mean that, accept the money, and then say, “Oh, no no, we didn’t really mean that at all, but we’re going to keep your cash anyway.”
The Hacking Allegation
This requires a little extra background. Linden makes money by, among other methods, auctioning off plots of “virtual land” to customers. The auctions are done via the web, and the minimum bid is $1000. The auctions are run on the website by going to URLs published on the site.
The method by which Bragg obtained the virtual land that Linden alleges he got fraudulently was by going to a URL that had not been published yet. There are quite a few details involved but they’re so specific to Second Life that they’re not very interesting in terms of broader implications. The interesting part here is that Bragg was able to access this URL, which was not protected in any way aside from being unlisted on Linden’s site, and win a land auction for a very low price ($1 I believe), since nobody else was bidding.
Now, I think you’d have to be chronically naive or a bald-faced liar to deny that it’s pretty obvious that Bragg (who is both an attorney and an experienced Second Life user, and who had purchased land previously from Linden for amounts up to $1700 or so) knew darn well that Linden would not approve of winning auctions in this way.
On the other hand, Bragg didn’t have to hack into anything to gain access to the auction. He didn’t have to trick the system in any way. In fact, as far as I can tell, the actions Bragg took to buy the land were literally exactly the actions every user takes to buy land. The only difference is Linden hadn’t yet made users aware that that piece of virtual land was up for auction.
It’s a tricky one and I’m not sure which side I come down on. One can argue, as Bragg is, that the auction was available, that Linden accepted his money and thus he paid for the land, and that if other users had not been made aware of the auction yet, the fault, if there is any, lies with Linden.
One can also argue that Bragg clearly (there are quotes from his in-game messaging in the document we’re talking about that make it patently obvious) knew Linden’s management wouldn’t approve of this and that the land being available was a bug, and that by exploiting that bug Bragg was committing fraud.
Every online game developer has to deal with the school of thought among some players that holds that code is law, and that if the code allows it it cannot be wrong. A player can’t and shouldn’t be, says this train of thought, forced to decide whether a given functionality is or isn’t a bug. If it’s there and it’s accessible to the user, there’s no reason he shouldn’t use it.
Taken to an absolute extreme that line of thinking gets pretty ridiculous, but where does one draw the line? Should Linden be able to cut off the virtual property it had sold to Bragg because he did something they don’t approve of? I have a hard time classifying what Bragg did as hacking any more than I think that someone who uses a gold duping bug is hacking. I have no problem with virtual world developers retaining the right to be judge, jury, and executioner since they’re private spaces, but once you start telling your users that they’re making investments, not simply being entertained, I think that right needs to be tempered considerably.
Anyway, I haven’t decided yet what to think of the hacking counterclaim.
Conclusion
All in all I’m kind of waiting to hear from a few different legal experts for their opinion on filing, but I find myself sympathizing with Bragg, despite the fact that he clearly knew he was exploiting…something (not sure I’m comfortable calling it a bug, and I definitely don’t see it as hacking). I want to come down on Linden’s side (even though I do not care for the manner in which they operate) because it’s probably good for us as virtual world operators long-term, but with Philip Rosedale out there as CEO inducing people to invest in his world by telling them the exact opposite of what Linden claims when the rubber meets the road it just feels like fraud to me, on a gut level.
Summary of Case
Very briefly and without going into all the various specific complaints, this case was brought by Bragg against Linden after Linden banned Bragg’s account. Bragg used what Linden alleges was a fraudulent technique to win virtual land auctions that were not generally visible to the Second Life population at very cheap prices, allowing Bragg great profit when re-selling that land. Bragg had also previously “purchased” virtual land in SL in a way that Linden has no complaint with, but when he was banned, he lost access to his purchased land, and is suing as a result.
Linden essentially alleges that because they believe Bragg engaged in fraud at their expense, and because they don’t actually sell virtual land (just the service of computing power that is represented as land), they should not be prevented from banning Bragg and cutting off his service.
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June 30th, 2007 at 6:18 am
Tony Walsh
Great commentary. I can buy that Second Life is not an MMORPG, but as not-an-MMMORPG, its obvious peer is There. Second Life is comparable to an MMORPG for the reasons you cited, and because as a computing platform, it already plays host to a number of user-created MMORPGs.
June 30th, 2007 at 7:59 am
anonymous coward
(Matt the link to the court filing is broken.)
June 30th, 2007 at 9:03 am
Pentharian
Well, while I do agree that he must have known that Linden wouldn’t be happy with it, I think the entire fault lies with Linden for not protecting their own sites that would lose them money and naming them so easily.
For example, suppose Achaea had a website “Http…./helpfiles?god=0″ that regular players got when they read helps on the webpage. If they change the 0 to 1, they get all of the god helpfiles, can view the denizen progs and all quest solutions. If someone figures it out and does that, I think we’d probably be upset, but it would really be our fault for being so stupid as to not require a password for that.
June 30th, 2007 at 10:19 am
Andrew Crystall
Actually, URL manipulation *can* be considered hacking. After all, several exploits rely on feeding a site malformed URL’s to gain access to unauthorised content. Moreover, it’s pretty clear from the details that Bragg was acting in bad faith, and that’s… fraud.
The rest of LL’s claims, however, o.O
June 30th, 2007 at 11:20 am
Matt
Court filing linked fixed. Sorry about that.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:03 am
Adam
“First, Linden wants to establish Second Life as something other than an MMORPG, saying:
…
I don’t see how they can deny they’re an MMORPG. They’re massively multiplayer, and they’re certainly a roleplaying game.
…
Linden’s even got a way to keep score: Linden dollars”
I see a very clear difference between what they are as a service - “not an MMORPG” - and what they are as a meta-game - “something highly amenable to being gamed as an MMORPG”.
I don’t think it’s fair to hold people to account for how their services get meta-gamed - even when they deliberately design-in stuff that supports meta-gaming - unless they make that metagaming the actual service they’re charging for.
As you say, though, that’s pretty much exactly what they’ve done *at least some of the time*. I don’t blame *Phillip* for trying to sell his product (service) every which way he can, to everyone, as anything - that’s par for the course, he’s the CEO (i.e. chief salesman
), but the company can’t in fairness have it both ways: they need to be consistent about what it is people are buying.
OTOH … IIRC, it all comes down to the actual contract between purchaser and vendor. Salesmen are allowed (IIRC from my corp law studies years ago) to promise anything they want during a sales pitch - it’s only what’s in the actual contract that they have to be held to. Where the pitch ends and the contract begins may end up unclear (?) but I’m guessing that a CEO’s comments to the press are not part of a contract with any individual customer? (by reference to the legal elements of a contract)
July 1st, 2007 at 9:50 am
Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis
On hacking:
The only thing Mr. Bragg did was access an unpublished URL that was associated with an offering of a piece of “property”. He otherwise engaged in a financial transaction that Linden honored… at least for a bit. This would imply that at most Linden should have unraveled the transaction, given him his money back, and been appropriately humble at having made such a stupid web site error.
In this case, if others had done the same, there would have been bidding on the offending plot of land as if it had been listed in the public registry… and Linden would have happily taken the money, I suspect.
This is like a store mis-marking the price of a product. They can choose to honor the price (good customer service), they can give a refund, but the customer is blamed for this error by the vendor.
On MMO-ness:
If Second Life is an MMO, then banning is a perfectly legitimate option (you are paying for access to a service and that access can be terminated at the discretion of management). However, once there is the ability to cash-in and cash-out and make in-game/world exchanges, then it is not an MMO. However, this means banning goes out the window. If I have a stock certificate, I can’t get banned from the stock market - or if I was, I would be entitled to recover my investment as well as any potential gain from that investment (the reason for my participation in the stock market “virtual world”).
July 1st, 2007 at 11:02 am
Matt
Adam wrote:
OTOH … IIRC, it all comes down to the actual contract between purchaser and vendor. Salesmen are allowed (IIRC from my corp law studies years ago) to promise anything they want during a sales pitch - it’s only what’s in the actual contract that they have to be held to. Where the pitch ends and the contract begins may end up unclear (?) but I’m guessing that a CEO’s comments to the press are not part of a contract with any individual customer? (by reference to the legal elements of a contract)
My understanding (and I’m not a lawyer) is that this isn’t true. In fact, the reason that Rosedale himself is a defendant along with Linden is specifically because he had been making these claims loudly and publicly. My discussions with various legal experts in this area also seem to indicate to this non-lawyer that what a contract says is only part of what the contract may actually be. In other words, the EULA may just be part of the contract between Linden and the users, and the real contract can be influenced by things like Rosedale’s claims.
–matt
July 1st, 2007 at 11:23 am
Prokofy Neva
Matt, you really can’t brush away the exploit that Bragg used as “so specific to SL as to be boring and not worth talking about”. Of course it was a hack. It’s not just a URL. It’s a URL that was a hole in the system that was plugged, and not merely “just a URL,” but a URL that is used *in conjunction with the automated mechanism of the auction template*. So if he plugs in an auction ID tagged on a newly-made piece of land before the Lindens who ran the auction were able to set that page with that *future* tag number to $1000 US, and was able to jimmy it to force an unlawful auction of $1.00 US, that *iS* an exploit, pure and simple. It may not be some sophisticated coding hack, but it’s an exploit of a system that always opened at $1000 on the template as intended to be used as accessed by everyone else who didn’t find the trick. I fail to see why you can’t recognize it as a trick, especially given that the hole was closed after he exploited. It’s like switching price tags on a hugely expensive item in a Radio Shack and getting past the cashier, but then not getting past the security guard at the door.
I’ve explained what else is wrong with the Linden response here:
http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/06/virtual-land.html
July 1st, 2007 at 12:17 pm
Matt
Of course I can brush away the details of the exploit as uninteresting. It\’s not that interesting to me, and it\’s my blog.
SL is not inherently of interest to me insofar as I\’m not really a user of it. What is are larger implications for virtual worlds. That\’s why I spend most of the time on Bragg vs. Linden discussing issues that matter to a wide range of virtual worlds. The exploit (I\’ll agree it was an exploit. I won\’t agree that\’s the same thing as a hack.) in question is so specific to SL\’s method of doing things that there are no real larger implications, though I\’ll grant that within the context of a discussion about SL it may be more interesting (and you\’ll notice that I do spend some time talking about it).
July 2nd, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Prokofy Neva
Well, sure, Matt, you’re entitled to be dyspeptic on your own blog and brush anything, but since Bragg’s defense — and the argumentations of his apologists and supporters — hinge on the notion that this isn’t a hack or exploit, and it’s LL’s fault for not closing a hole. *I’m* not interested in the tekkie sideshow of parsing whether it’s a technical “hack” or technical “exploit” given that “hack” has common everyday usage, not just technical usage now. What’s more to the point is that these folks believe that there’s no longer any such thing as criminality or individual moral responsibility, there’s just good or bad tools for deterring or removing criminal actions. That’s the larger point to be drawn from this exploit and URL story. Outside the narrower issue of whether it is a hack if you can do it so easily, there’s the question of the customary law established by auctions always opening at $1000 US since June 2005, people always having to start the bidding by agreeing to pay at least $1000 with a click, etc. That’s part of the story too.
July 2nd, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Please
No, Prokofy, it’s more like a foolish Radio Shack employee wrongly priced a “hugely expensive item” and tried to bring charges against someone who got away with purchasing it at the reduced price.
July 2nd, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Please
Again, no. Linden Labs reserves the right to alter the starting bid on any land auction they put forth.
July 2nd, 2007 at 5:53 pm
Matt
I don’t really care much about Bragg’s defense to be honest. Other aspects of the case are just a lot more interesting than whether some guy defrauded LL out of a few thousand dollars. The ToS aspect in Judge Robreno’s ruling awhile ago was interesting and I think it’s VERY interesting to watch Linden have to try and justify their claims that users owned in-game land and other things other than the intellectual property that sits on top of that in-game stuff.
Your interests seem pretty SL specific, which is fine, but I don’t think anyone’s coming to the Forge for discussion on the details of SL.
July 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pm
PJ
This has to be one of the case studies for any future Virtual Asset argument. What interests me the most is the ownership issue. Linden Labs has to be more consistent with their policy as this would create doubts of anyone who would be trading “virtual property”. Personally I’m confused with what rights I have over my property. If one day I did something wrong in SL, is LL going to confiscate my property?
July 3rd, 2007 at 5:49 am
Andrew Crystall
Matt, well, frankly I’d imagine that it is the critical, and most interesting, claim. The rest is a sideshow - if they can prove Bragg acted in bad faith and deliberately used a hack to hurt Linden’s business interests, it’s all over but the screaming.
Some of the sideshow, well, o.O as I said before.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:44 am
Tim
Based on what I know of the “hack,” I think the analogy of the Radio Shack employee analogy is a bad one.
Way back when there used to be “sticky” price tags, people used to remove a lower price tag and place it on an expensive item. They’d go to the cashier, who would ring it at the “marked” price, and let them go on their way. Heck, this happened at a WalMart or Target not too long ago (I don’t have the link, sorry) where a consumer was changing prices and had a cashier ring it up at the lower price. The buyer would then return the item with no receipt, gaining more money back than money paid out.
Both of these actions are considered misrepresentation. Knowingly misrepresenting, as Bragg did by changing the price, is fraudulent. I cannot believe a lawyer would not know about this!
It will be interesting to see how publishers engage with RMT/licensing in MMORPGs to protect against such actions, especially in a global scenario. Because of the legalities in different countries, I hope this does not lead to a true separation of servers for countries. Through MMORPGs, I have met many people not from my country that I enjoy gaming with and talking with.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:37 am
Joseph Monk
From what I understand of the case, misrepresentation isn’t what he did. He didn’t change anything, he just accessed an auction before it was publically announced(and priced properly).
This would be like you going and setting up an Ebay auction with a buy now price of 1000… but you only type in 1 by accident and someone bought it before you fixed it.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:25 am
yunk
I am not a lawyer but am a programmer. We can’t use his language, i.e. “unpublished auction”, because he is defining the terms in a way that makes him look right. We must shy away from these non specific terms and get to what happened:
If you change a variable in a URL, instead of using the list provided, you are automatically not using the software as intended. It’s not as simple as “the url was unpublished” it’s a url that was published, but he had to replace a variable, an id number, in that url to get to access those auctions.
It was not “an unpublished auction” the auction did not exist. The land existed, and he replaced the ID number of an auctioned land to a piece of land that was not being auctioned yet.
Now was this sloppy programming? Of course. I have worked in HRIS and programmed for compensation and HR related software, and we did not use the ids of employees as keys to access their data for this specific reason. I used the position in a list, and the list was stored in the session as the list of employees the manager could access.
Now if I did not do that, and used the ID of employees, a manager could look up anybody. If they did, well not only would I get in trouble for making a crappy system, but the manager would be fired for violating confidentiality rules.
There is no difference between the two scenarios. If he knew he was using the software not as intended, and no reasonable person would argue he did not know, then how can he expect to keep it?
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:30 am
yunk
Oh one more thing, as I noted above, it’s not specific to SL at all. It’s more specific to web based software. Any programmer could make the error on any system. For instance, a very poorly written bank site could have your account number in the URL. Replacing this would access someone else’s account. All you’d have to do is have any account at that bank, and you’d be able to access anyone’s.
That is basically the same scenario from a technology standpoint: replacing an ID number in a URL to access something you aren’t supposed to.
So.. I also disagree that it’s specific to SL. Obviously it can apply to any website.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:48 am
Matt
Andrew: It’s critical to this case but the specific outcome of this case isn’t very interesting as far as I’m concerned. It’s the tangential issues that are coming up that are proving very interesting (like Robreno striking down a portion of the ToS).
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:13 pm
Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis
@hacking -
Look guys, if you have ever edited a URL by hand, by some of the definitions people are waving around above, you are hacking.
Utter nonsense.
The eBay analogy (or store analogy) is correct. The vendor mis-marked an item that was available to a customer. Their bad, as noted above.
“Let he who has not modified a URL, cast the first lawsuit”.
Linden did not do any of the things that they should have done:
1. If an item is not supposed to be available, it should not be accessible.
2. If it is not supposed to be purchase-able yet, it should not be purchase-able yet.
3. If it is not supposed to be biddable, it should not be biddable.
4. Linden could have easily marked the default price of unlisted items at $1 Billion and this problem would have gone away as well.
5. If Linden had “accidentally” published or indexed this URL (or someone else did), the situation is the same. They provided a price and a mechanism to complete a purchase… and they did.
6. If this was a physical good, Linden Lab would have been expected to honor the published price - whether the published price was publicized or not. There is nothing magic about a virtual asset that gives them a “do over”…. and certainly no reason to void the individual’s account.
Back to the main point, Matt is 100% correct, the key issue here is the challenge to Second Life’s TOS. The saddest part of all this is that on even days, Second Life argues that it is building a platform for a new kind of…. something. However, when it suits them, they revert to treating it all as a game.
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Matt
Nicely said, Steven.
I will add that I think that the challenge to SL’s ToS is one of the key issues. I think the other could end up informing issues revolving around what rights users have to ’stuff’ in virtual worlds where the operator is telling you that you own things in-world.
–matt
July 3rd, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Andrew Crystall
Steven, I’m afraid that legally that’s rubbish.
People have been convicted for innocuous “scans” of systems, let alone exploiting URL flaws to gain unauthorised access to data, let alone talking about doing it (bad faith), let alone…
This isn’t about “a mistake in pricing”. This is about going into the sales system of a company and assigning yourself assets from that company at ridiculously low prices, in bad faith, and depriving the company of the revenue from those assets.
Handwaving and saying “it’s bad tech” is true, but not the law.
Matt, frankly I can’t see the setting aside of the location as significant, and neither is the arbitration clause in terms of other software liscences. MMO’s EULA’s are not unique snowflakes compared to other paid web access services.
July 5th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Dave
“The eBay analogy (or store analogy) is correct. The vendor mis-marked an item that was available to a customer. Their bad, as noted above.”
from what i can see, thats not really it. its more like the vendor had something mismarked in a store cupboard out the back, waiting to be re-marked before it was put on display, and a customer snuck into the storeroom, got it and bought it.
is it hacking? sort of. not really i’ll admit. but from SLs point of view its just as bad really - it granted access to something that was not meant to be available. In the store analogy, its more like sneaking into the storeroom after and employee goes through a security door, rather than picking the lock to get in.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
Ken
If I leave the backdoor to my house unlocked, is it not still illegal to enter without my permission? If you then take something that I intended to sell in a garage sale the next day is it still not theft? Even if you leave a dollar for it? For me, it comes down to intent. Clearly Bragg intended to defraud Linden (and other members of the SL community) and took action to directly do so.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:07 pm
James
It may not be some sophisticated coding hack, but it’s an exploit of a system that always opened at $1000 on the template as intended to be used as accessed by everyone else who didn’t find the trick. I fail to see why you can’t recognize it as a trick, especially given that the hole was closed after he exploited. It’s like switching price tags on a hugely expensive item in a Radio Shack and getting past the cashier, but then not getting past the security guard at the door.
I’m going to have to disagree. I’ve always felt that it is not an exploit unless it is specifically said to be an exploit by the company. As an ex-EQ Guide, you give people one free pass. You catch them exploiting something minor (z-axis exploits, etc.) that’s known about, you tell them to knock it off and if you catch them doing it again (anywhere) they’ll have more serious things to deal with. Something major that is unknown (to the devs), they are, again, given a free pass. Report it right away, it gets fixed. However, you cannot charge someone for doing something that could possibly be “an accident” - IE, player always gets the benefit of the doubt (obviously, there are exceptions to this rule, but unless Bragg had a history of ’sploiting, it’s not important.)
So basically, Linden should’ve just said “Alright, we screwed the pooch on that one.” and fixed it. If they’re raking in the money like they are trying to make everyone think, then they shouldn’t realy miss $1500 - a drop in the bucket compared to the supposed multi-millions they’re making yearly.
It’s just another situation where companies forget that the player is the business and put themselves above the customer. Walmart didn’t get to be #1 by suing people who bought a $55 item that had been put into the computer for $5.50 (whether or not they knew it should be more than 5.50 is immaterial. If I see an xbox 360 game ring up for $5.50 I would point it out, but others may or may not be as honest). I work in retail and it happens all the time. In fact, it happened about two weeks ago. A pair of headphones marked for $39 had the price raised to $48 - but the person in charge of doing price changes on the floor either hadn’t gotten to it, or forgot. When the customer questioned the price, they were given the lower of the two. The price was immidately fixed, but that one person still got it for $9 less than it was supposed to have sold for.
July 5th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Matt
Just a point: Second Life is still not, as far as I know, profitable. It’s still a money loser for Linden I believe.
July 6th, 2007 at 7:30 am
Tim
James, an interesting point in the case is the processes by which Marc had operated within the world of SL, imho. Marc had purchased land through other auctions listed on the SL site. He clearly understood the “expected” process as defined.
There’s also reports of others using the same method as Marc did to bid on the same parcels. Interestingly enough, these people seem to be absent (or well hidden) in this case. It seems the ToS should have also caused LL to ban these accounts, as well.
July 6th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Bryan
Matt, I’m enjoying your documentation of this case. All of the recent legal craziness involving SL and its ilk is extremely interesting to think about. I am a lawyer, but I have no specialization in MMO worlds. I never got past the SL registration screen because I bogged down picking out a “last name” from the limited choices - couldn’t find one I liked and hated the requirement.
I can comment generally (off the cuff) on some of the legal issues. The main one for me is Linden’s seizing (by banning Bragg in their anger over his exploits) Bragg’s pre-existing legitimately purchased property (not the property he’s accused of obtaining by fraud, but the property he already owned having bought it at full price). This banning and seizure of “valuable property” (for lack of a better word, but it is of significant value) seems way out of line to me, and the Judge seems to have recognized this in striking parts of Linden’s ToS agreement. Linden should have been thanking Bragg for revealing the exploit (incredibly sloppy to have functional, accessible URLs just sitting out there!) and rewarding him in some way - that would’ve been my reaction as world-owner.
A lot of people have tried (and failed in the details of) the store analogy, and Dave pretty much nails it. Seems to me it’s like a “back room” of Linden’s store. There is a doorway without a door or barrier that leads to this back room. Linden ASSUMES you recognize the back room for what it is and won’t go back there, but doesn’t put up a door or a lock or a sign, they just assume you recognize this is off limits (by virtue of the URL not being public yet). However, the items back there are fully enabled for sale, in that Linden’s sales clerk will consummate the sale without a second glance if the item is brought to the cash register.
Bragg ignored Linden’s assumption, went into the back room (entered the non-public URL), brought out an item and the Linden clerkbot completed his transaction. Don’t get me wrong… I think he knew this wouldn’t stand - you can’t actually believe you’re entitled to a $1000 property for $1. But typing a URL into your browser (quite arguably) isn’t fraud. Nor (arguably) is completing a sale of what you find there, if the system allows you to do so.
There are (I assume, I think safely) fraud statutes in all 50 states, in addition to common law fraud recognized by civil courts without the necessity of a statute. The statute should usually provide the criminal penalties, and DECEPTION is normally one element of criminal fraud. That’s where Bragg’s argument is strongest, that he didn’t “deceive” anyone at any time - typing in a URL is not deception, nor is completing an allowed check-out process to buy the product. Fraud is also a civil “tort” - a legally redressable wrong. But again, it is difficult to pin down the element of deceit.
The theory that Linden can recover it’s property on is “mistake in contract” (for lack of remembering the proper term). Whenever there is a purchase-and-sale, there is a contract whether express or implied. A mistaken belief by one or both parties can sometimes void the contract. Ah, it’s right here in wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistake_(contract_law). See the entry for “unilateral mistake”?
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“A unilateral mistake is where only one party to a contract is mistaken as to the terms or subject-matter. The courts will uphold such a contract unless it was determined that the non-mistaken party was aware of the mistake and tried to take advantage of the mistake.”
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So… Linden was mistaken about it’s assigned price (shouldn’t have been $1) and about whether the item was actually for sale (it shouldn’t have been yet). Linden is the mistaken party. The non-mistaken party (Bragg) was aware of the mistake (this is a question of fact, but I will assume it is true as we all do) and tried to take advantage of the mistake. THUS, the court will NOT uphold the contract, and Bragg will have to give back “title” to the “property.” (If he’s already resold it, that’s another twist I won’t dive into - look up “bona fide purchaser for value.” Linden may have trouble recovering the property from the innocent third parties if they are indeed innocent, but may be able to recover the sale price from Bragg).
I haven’t looked at Linden’s answer and counter-suit. Did they plead mistake of contract? The Fraud claim *might* prevail, but I think they are going to have trouble proving the deception element.
And there is no way, IMO that Linden hangs on to Braggs previously legit-purchased property. They are either going to have to cash him (perhaps paying him a healthy sum for the potential of appreciation - though that gets into uncertain damages which is a legal no-no) or let him back online.
If I were the judge, I’d order Linden to return Bragg’s original (legit) property and let him back online, in return for Bragg’s paying Linden the profits he made from the $1 property he obtained and re-sold, and both parties’ promise to deal in good faith with each other in the future. Any violations could be brought back to the court for review. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see the case turn out this way.
B
July 6th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Matt
Great comment Bryan!
July 6th, 2007 at 2:09 pm
Bryan
Just read most of Linden’s Answer & Counterclaim. They did indeed plead “Mistake of Fact” as a defense to Bragg’s claims. Their counterclaims were interesting. Thanks for posting that.
B
October 9th, 2007 at 8:45 am
Jowe
i dont give right to linden when they showed abuse of power, and not warranty lost of linden made by hacker or griefer. not also saying about the cookie tracker spyware that linden implant in users systems and for what reason they do it.
when user come to do such illegal act, it is also linden who brought it by playing with the rules them self, and how many user lost linden with theire crashes, bugs, and low quality servers.
there is a reflexion to it also, if linden was honest i dont think other will trie to fraud them. any business when they start smelling the steak under there nose they think they have the absolute power…linden is one of them abusing of its power. i give right to Bragg, and second life mean what you cant do in real life you do it in second life, so linden they are going against theire own philosophy, and that is false statement that linden is making.
If bragg attemp to fraud that is the game, then why called second life, they need to change the meaning of the name and the name itself. Linden is more guilty then anyone in that view.