Eileen
and I were at the Marin Farmer’s Market this morning having breakfast, and while waiting in line for a crepe at the crepe stand and I overheard a soccer mom-looking woman talking to another couple about a “game that took over his[her son’s] life.” I assumed she was probably talking about Runescape at first but after listening a bit more it became clear it was WoW she was on about.
I was mildly amused to hear someone talking about an MMO at the farmer’s market (hardly a hotbed for techies as far as I can tell) but quickly became irritated as I heard the woman launch into a completely ill-informed rant about how “these games” are ruining childrens’ lives. She proceeded to, in an authoritative tone, launch into a bullshit explanation of just how (in her view) the games triggered dopamine reactions that lead to addiction just like “drugs” do (her explanation, not mine).
Part of me wanted to interrupt their conversation and point out that her dopamine assertion is hardly scientific gospel (I’m assuming she read an article about the researcher discussed here recently and translated that into The Truth in her mind) but decided to focus on what kind of crepe to get instead. Raph mentioned a zeitgeist moment he had in Times Square in NYC recently and this felt very much the same thing to me. The Marin farmer’s market filled, as it is, mainly with hippies, wanna-be hippies, and rich older folk, is not at all where I expect to hear discussions about virtual worlds. Wish it had been a discussion casting them in a more positive light.
For the record, we went for chicken, tomato slices, pesto, and mozzarella, and it was even better than usual as the crepe guy left it on the crepe griddle longer than he typically does, resulting in a pleasing almost-crispness to it.
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April 10th, 2007 at 6:50 am
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April 8th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Pär Winzell
I wish I had something more perceptive to say, but I just want that crepe.
April 8th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
Matt
Heh heh. Next time you visit you shall have that crepe if possible!
April 9th, 2007 at 12:28 am
Joseph Monk
Yes, damn evil fun being so addicting… no one should ever have fun!
April 9th, 2007 at 11:13 am
MiniWuffy
I don’t think it’s the videogames that cause children to do as they do…
I think it’s the parent trying to find a scapegoat for their own bad parenting.
Honestly, if a game is having such a bad influence over a child… take it away?
Sounds like a pretty sexy crepe, too
April 9th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Cameron Sorden
I sometimes hear people going on about Second Life when I walk around my business school, but generally they’re just clueless about what it is and want to leverage it for marketing and sales purposes.
April 9th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Mike Rozak
Monsters & Mazes! Hollywood’s answer to Dungeons and Dragons, and about how D&D leads to crazy, suicidal people.
April 9th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
personne ne
You should’ve told her a thing or two.
April 9th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
JJ
Meh, you guys. Don’t be willfully blind just because you feel your ox has been gored.
Games DO do that to SOME people. Inconvenient truth. My nephew can be absolutely mesmerized by a computer game. Mesmerized to the point you have to go up and turn off the computer to get his attention. So can I. I’m struggling right now with maintaining a real life against the sweet, sweet call of LotRO. It takes a self-aware discipline to stand against the desire to sit down and just play all night. I do play and I love to play, but I’d be a fool to suppose the pull to play is utterly benign. Yeah, it’s good like ice cream is good–a bowl is nice, but feeling compelled to eat a whole carton at midnight is another matter. Kids typically are not so great in the self-aware discipline department.
You guys know what it’s like, and don’t tell me you’ve never stayed up till 4 am playing, knowing perfectly well you have to get up in the morning but you just MUST…MAKE…THAT…(insert any game goal here), even when it’s very much to your detriment, physically, mentally, emotionally and professionally.
To pretend it doesn’t happen, or to suppose that the general public isn’t gonna notice, is equally and willfully clueless. Willful cluelessness is not a very smart approach in any industry.
Your “soccer mom” (a nice disdainful throwaway, eh?) may know more about her kid than you’re willing to admit.
April 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pm
Matt
I apologize if there was a misinterpretation about what I wrote. I would certainly not deny that games can be habit forming though I’m unsure if I’d use the word addiction.
What I objected to was the “It’s scientific fact that WoW is bad for children” attitude she was communicating to her friends.
April 10th, 2007 at 12:03 am
Joseph Monk
Just like a good parent wouldn’t let a kid sit down and eat a whole carton of ice cream, a good parent shouldn’t let their kids sit and play computer games all day long. If they do let them eat a whole carton of ice cream, is it the ice cream’s fault?
Besides… whats wrong with eating a whole carton of ice cream at midnight? I woke up and had half one last night at about 2am
April 10th, 2007 at 1:21 am
Wolfe
Parents probably have a hard time understanding what an mmo player can do in the game which can not be done in meatspace. Once you get to the border world where the game is allowing you to do interesting things for such large amounts of time you dont see the game as detatched from reality and the people in it are as real as everyone else.
If the parent is complaining the the kid is losing “real friends” then maybe the “real friends” were less real than some might think, the real world isnt very well suited to live in as relationships in it will appear less reliable than those in WoW to a whole lot of people around the world.
April 10th, 2007 at 3:52 am
Joseph Monk
That’s a good point, while I don’t know about WoW but when I started playing MUDs years ago I developed a lot of friendships with people on them. There are a lot of people that I’ve met through games, all over the world, that I’d consider a friend but have never met(or even know what they look like for some of them). I have been able to meet a few of them IRL, and hopefully more later. What makes a relationship “real”?
April 11th, 2007 at 6:56 am
Adele
UGH… I so dislike soccer moms! OMG they hate me too lol. At my daughters last school they wouldn’t even sit by me because I am so much younger than them and I have the plague or something. Once they find out what I do it becomes even worse.
Which is obviously why my husband doesn’t want me wearing the gaming shirts I am sure! They so need to get a life and instead of talking about how evil games are and how they are ruining their children’s life they should instead focus on becoming better parents.
You should have told her that games only become a problem with children if they are not monitored when playing them, and anything done in extreme can be unhealthy, and as a parent instead of banning their children from gaming they should monitor it. Set time limits and make sure that their children are doing other things as well instead of complaining about it and spreading lies or half lies about it.
Sorry… need to take a deep breath here, but I know those women you are talking about. They love to gossip, complain, and eat donuts or something… lol.
April 12th, 2007 at 1:22 am
Faethyr
This reminds me of something someone said on the Lusternia Forums in a discussion about censorship in games.
Joe: Bob shot me!
Bob: Jane made me do it!
Jane: I blame the media.
Media: Videogames.
Game Industry: Personal responsibility?
Personal Responsibility: *AFK*
People complain about the effects of video games, but all they really have to do is make sure THEY’RE doing the right thing under the circumstances. If your son has behavioral problems and a tendency to beat people up, then don’t damn buy him GTA and bitch when he imitates it. It’s not the game’s fault, IT’S YOUR OWN
Damn, it felt good to get that out.
April 12th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
n.n
I haven’t found many games which can keep me up until 4 am and make me a walking zombie the next day due to lack of sleep.
Good books, however, do that with depressing regularity.
Books are evil! We must ban all of them! They’re too much fun! They’re ruining people’s lives!
;)
April 12th, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Adele Caelia
Haha! Books do that to me too! Once I get a book I almost always read it until it is finished and that usually means being up til 6am and then being super tired!
The books made us do it!
April 17th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
Craig Bell (Thalion)
Matt, you are the CEO of a games company who has players that have well into the thousands of hours online in your game worlds, not to mention players who have invested (Interesting that we the players often call credit purchases an investment!) thousands of dollars. I think that if anyone could comment on game addiction, it is you.
May 12th, 2007 at 12:59 am
The Arcadia
I agree with Adele 100%. I have a gaming addiction that I’m trying to ease down off of, and it’s both easier and much harder to do because it’s not the same kind of addiction as drugs or alcohol (or so I’ve heard). I’m a girl gamer, rare breed that we are. Guild Wars is my game of choice. (Books are just as bad for me, too. ^_^) I was a RP chat junkie before this. There *are* so many more things you can do in the virtual world than in the real world. I had way more friends online than I’d ever had IRL, until now. Children that are nice but socially inept through middle and high school can find a place to belong online that they never will in their community until everyone supposedly grows up and gets over it. But they remain basically crippled socially for life unless they get into college (or whatever) and get a career and force themselves to interact with the outside world. I’ve had to learn the hard way about setting limits and making myself stop no matter how nice it is to have people to talk to, share opinions with, or just joke around with, because IRL I went without real friends for nearly seven years, and not for any lack of trying on my part. This isn’t to make anyone feel sorry for me, it’s to be a voice in the dark that online relationships aren’t bad, but parents *must* teach their children about limits. Limits on the phone. Limits on texting. Limits on eating. Limits on reading. Limits on sharing. And limits on playing. Even limits on working! Workaholics = scary. o_0 Moderation in all things. Having a passion is okay. Having an addiction, to anything, is not. WoW isn’t bad for kids. (WoW is bad for your wallet, I mean…) What’s bad for kids is the notion that MMORPGs are like Pong and Pinball. We need informed parents, and parents that act like parents and not friends or babysitters. We might get the first. Probably not the other one.
January 28th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Kristina
Interesting fact:
There have been studies that show that when video games are given to orangutans to play it actually lowers stress levels. As an active primatologist, I feel that there’s quite a bit of validity there.
Take that, uninformed soccer mom.