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	<title>Comments on: More on WoW Glider</title>
	<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/</link>
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		<title>by: horde &#38; alliance wow leveling guide</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-92558</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If your good at the game you can level yourself alot faster then wow glider, with a world of warcraft guide I can level a character from 1-80 in about 5 days played time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your good at the game you can level yourself alot faster then wow glider, with a world of warcraft guide I can level a character from 1-80 in about 5 days played time
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		<title>by: wow guide</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-92066</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-92066</guid>
					<description>Violation of a Terms of Service agreement is not a crime. Aiding and abetting a violation of Terms of Service is almost certainly not a crime. The sole sanction that the ToS allows (and that a court would likely tolerate) is the cancellation of his World of Warcraft account. The gun analogy is appropriate as is the use of any software utility provided by a third party.

Actually, the best tactic the author of WoW Glider could take would be to fire his lawyer and go to trial… let Blizzard chew up its money on this. This is probably also generating more attention and traffic and sales than the developer could possibly buy through marketing.

Imagine talking to a jury to explain all of the “allowed” mods and extensions to the WoW client vs. the “disallowed” ones.

Oh, and move his server offshore and, maybe, incorporate there (good call on the LLC, Matt).

Microsoft would love to be able to shut down Symantec for the exact same reason - is that OK too?

(I just visited and now its just “Glider” to avoid trademark issue - wisely)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Violation of a Terms of Service agreement is not a crime. Aiding and abetting a violation of Terms of Service is almost certainly not a crime. The sole sanction that the ToS allows (and that a court would likely tolerate) is the cancellation of his World of Warcraft account. The gun analogy is appropriate as is the use of any software utility provided by a third party.</p>
<p>Actually, the best tactic the author of WoW Glider could take would be to fire his lawyer and go to trial… let Blizzard chew up its money on this. This is probably also generating more attention and traffic and sales than the developer could possibly buy through marketing.</p>
<p>Imagine talking to a jury to explain all of the “allowed” mods and extensions to the WoW client vs. the “disallowed” ones.</p>
<p>Oh, and move his server offshore and, maybe, incorporate there (good call on the LLC, Matt).</p>
<p>Microsoft would love to be able to shut down Symantec for the exact same reason - is that OK too?</p>
<p>(I just visited and now its just “Glider” to avoid trademark issue - wisely)
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		<title>by: Dan</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-53475</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-53475</guid>
					<description>Been reading alot about ALL this mess. Found WOW glider today after seeing a guy in the game do the same thing hour after hour. Another player pointed it out to me cause he was trying to beat the bot to a couple of the kills for his own quest. 

That is neither here nor there however i am just at work and surfing (I have a very boring job) about the program before i consider putting up the 25$ 

After some of the reading i have been doing here and else where it has doned on me. How much money does one company (or at least the CEO's the little guys always get the short end of the stick) need? Lets see what is it 20$ bucks a month times how many millions of players? I have always liked Blizzard for there games and look FWD to a specific new title they are bring out in the next few months (I Hope). So another company trys to step up with way to help the player who is spending hours playing and wants to make a fourtune in the process. There is no moral problem with this in my book there are several things in life that i am glad have been improved on and people who have made there money with these improvments. 

All of this being said in the american (Yes i live here) leagal system is no longer to protect the blue color, Working class, Small business people, or even the people who are there to inforce it (I.E. Police and other security type Personell. It is now there for BIG Buisnesses, Illeagal Immigrants, and Criminals. So in the end the glider program will loose the battle. In closing i think when i get off of work tonight i am going to go ahead and pay for it and run a bot all night long. See if i can get myself banned. Cause if they ban you you don't pay them. simple as that if i get banned then i'm out does not matter to me i have other things in life to do as well. 

On a final note the leagal system is this way cause we made this way with the first of many many stupid stupid lawsuits witch all started with an old lady, a hot cup of coffee, and the mcdonalds chain. WE DID THIS TO OURSELFS Now it is get all that can from anyone for anything. and that is what you are seeing here. America is imploding on itself with stupidity i hope i am not here when it happens. 

Have a great day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been reading alot about ALL this mess. Found WOW glider today after seeing a guy in the game do the same thing hour after hour. Another player pointed it out to me cause he was trying to beat the bot to a couple of the kills for his own quest. </p>
<p>That is neither here nor there however i am just at work and surfing (I have a very boring job) about the program before i consider putting up the 25$ </p>
<p>After some of the reading i have been doing here and else where it has doned on me. How much money does one company (or at least the CEO&#8217;s the little guys always get the short end of the stick) need? Lets see what is it 20$ bucks a month times how many millions of players? I have always liked Blizzard for there games and look FWD to a specific new title they are bring out in the next few months (I Hope). So another company trys to step up with way to help the player who is spending hours playing and wants to make a fourtune in the process. There is no moral problem with this in my book there are several things in life that i am glad have been improved on and people who have made there money with these improvments. </p>
<p>All of this being said in the american (Yes i live here) leagal system is no longer to protect the blue color, Working class, Small business people, or even the people who are there to inforce it (I.E. Police and other security type Personell. It is now there for BIG Buisnesses, Illeagal Immigrants, and Criminals. So in the end the glider program will loose the battle. In closing i think when i get off of work tonight i am going to go ahead and pay for it and run a bot all night long. See if i can get myself banned. Cause if they ban you you don&#8217;t pay them. simple as that if i get banned then i&#8217;m out does not matter to me i have other things in life to do as well. </p>
<p>On a final note the leagal system is this way cause we made this way with the first of many many stupid stupid lawsuits witch all started with an old lady, a hot cup of coffee, and the mcdonalds chain. WE DID THIS TO OURSELFS Now it is get all that can from anyone for anything. and that is what you are seeing here. America is imploding on itself with stupidity i hope i am not here when it happens. </p>
<p>Have a great day&#8230;
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		<title>by: wowpanda</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-38766</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-38766</guid>
					<description>Agree with you about players faster than bots (because the game interface is designed for players, not bots).  

And I use bot too, with my my own bot.  I am playing this game because of my friends.  We played since college days, and not all of us has that much time ever again.  Myself play about 2 hours each week, and it is impossible to keep up with them.  Botting is the only way and I would have given up WOW years ago without my bot.

So I do believe bots help Blizzard, myself has been a loyal paying customer for 2+ years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you about players faster than bots (because the game interface is designed for players, not bots).  </p>
<p>And I use bot too, with my my own bot.  I am playing this game because of my friends.  We played since college days, and not all of us has that much time ever again.  Myself play about 2 hours each week, and it is impossible to keep up with them.  Botting is the only way and I would have given up WOW years ago without my bot.</p>
<p>So I do believe bots help Blizzard, myself has been a loyal paying customer for 2+ years now.
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		<title>by: William T</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-38649</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-38649</guid>
					<description>Sisca said: &quot; If you read their forums the major worry of the users is “delete the database plx or they’ll ban us!!”. &quot;


Nobody ever says that in those forums.  

I glide and sell accounts. You know what that means? an extra open account every time I sell. I'm helping blizzard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sisca said: &#8221; If you read their forums the major worry of the users is “delete the database plx or they’ll ban us!!”. &#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody ever says that in those forums.  </p>
<p>I glide and sell accounts. You know what that means? an extra open account every time I sell. I&#8217;m helping blizzard.
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		<title>by: veteran player</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-36620</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-36620</guid>
					<description>Its stupid, if they sue wow glider i demand that they let me 
win if i sue the whole weapon industry in the USA...

btw for &quot;the gamer&quot;
a true gamer doesnt care about bots 
couse he knows that a bot is always worse than a real skillfull player
if the bot is faster than you than its becouse you have no skills
and its not the fault of the bot that there are so many &quot;noobs&quot; in this
world
i for myself botted cause i gave up my first account (thought i wouldnt play
it ever again...) and now im not willing to do the same old stuff again
what i can tell you is: botting is way slower regarding /played time
the good thing is you can do something else at the same time
so without it i would stop paying for wow

-what blizz should do is imo pretend to stop the botters for the
customers who have heard only those bad storys and meanwhile
stop only the godlfarmers but let the botters allone
since they arent really affecting the rest of the playerbase</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its stupid, if they sue wow glider i demand that they let me<br />
win if i sue the whole weapon industry in the USA&#8230;</p>
<p>btw for &#8220;the gamer&#8221;<br />
a true gamer doesnt care about bots<br />
couse he knows that a bot is always worse than a real skillfull player<br />
if the bot is faster than you than its becouse you have no skills<br />
and its not the fault of the bot that there are so many &#8220;noobs&#8221; in this<br />
world<br />
i for myself botted cause i gave up my first account (thought i wouldnt play<br />
it ever again&#8230;) and now im not willing to do the same old stuff again<br />
what i can tell you is: botting is way slower regarding /played time<br />
the good thing is you can do something else at the same time<br />
so without it i would stop paying for wow</p>
<p>-what blizz should do is imo pretend to stop the botters for the<br />
customers who have heard only those bad storys and meanwhile<br />
stop only the godlfarmers but let the botters allone<br />
since they arent really affecting the rest of the playerbase
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		<title>by: wowpanda</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-31200</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-31200</guid>
					<description>LOL, same here, I would have given up a long time ago, but now I am in it day and night, partly for my old friend and guides, and partly for the excitement of hacking WOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, same here, I would have given up a long time ago, but now I am in it day and night, partly for my old friend and guides, and partly for the excitement of hacking WOW.
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		<title>by: Joshua Moye</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-31149</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-31149</guid>
					<description>I enjoy playing WoW. I have played for around 3 months now and have found it a chore to level a character. If blizzard would put more quests and ect into the game, (IE make it fun) then we probally wouldn't have programs created that do it for you. I have read all of this interview and i would like to say that you all have a VERY good point. I believe that blizzard has no right, though to tell a programmer what to do with there product they make. Programming isnt easy, and it makes me sad to see such a large company like blizzard to complain about such a minor issue. Why bann players that pay you money for your service. If they actually listen to the players, (still have not received a responce) then they could better the game. The only reason that i am still playing WoW is because of WoWglider (Glider). the game is fun and exciting, but gets borring around the higher levels. I understand the EULA/ToS and accepted it, but  seriously how much harm has this done? Why does blizzard insist on playing this game. They know they ar making money off every account, and im sure they are not loosing money. Im just a simple 20 year old male and want to play a game i pay for the way i want to play it. IF blizzard bans me, its not the end of the world. Just a video game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy playing WoW. I have played for around 3 months now and have found it a chore to level a character. If blizzard would put more quests and ect into the game, (IE make it fun) then we probally wouldn&#8217;t have programs created that do it for you. I have read all of this interview and i would like to say that you all have a VERY good point. I believe that blizzard has no right, though to tell a programmer what to do with there product they make. Programming isnt easy, and it makes me sad to see such a large company like blizzard to complain about such a minor issue. Why bann players that pay you money for your service. If they actually listen to the players, (still have not received a responce) then they could better the game. The only reason that i am still playing WoW is because of WoWglider (Glider). the game is fun and exciting, but gets borring around the higher levels. I understand the EULA/ToS and accepted it, but  seriously how much harm has this done? Why does blizzard insist on playing this game. They know they ar making money off every account, and im sure they are not loosing money. Im just a simple 20 year old male and want to play a game i pay for the way i want to play it. IF blizzard bans me, its not the end of the world. Just a video game.
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		<title>by: wowpanda</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-29820</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-29820</guid>
					<description>To Voice of the Gamer,

Marius said almost exactly the same thing I was thinking a month after I started WOW.  Leveling needed time (exp and skills), play with friends in dungeon need time, and wife is constantly demanding attention.  I was so exhausted.

So one day while I was fishing, I finally decided to make a bot.  A the fisher bot was born in 2 days.  Then later on the fighter bot.  I call it zoloFisher/zoloFighter because one of my friends allows me to use his site to publish it.  

So here are what the gamers really want:  A great gaming experience, where they can leveling relaxed, sometimes with challenge (we the gamer pick the challenge depend on our mode), socialize sometimes.

There will always be botters.  That is because  anyone with a real job and life will be hard pressed to squeeze the time to grind to 70, or spend 5 hours in raids.  Instead of trying to ban botters, Blizzard should think of ways to please the gamers better. 

Below are some examples that I could think of:
1.  Create dungeons that are soloable, but hard enough for the stupid bots.
2.  Add more XP/rewards for quests to encourage players to play instead of botting.

Have you ever tried to block the flow of water in a stream?  See how hard that is?  If you try to lead it away, it is much easier.  Always lead, don't block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Voice of the Gamer,</p>
<p>Marius said almost exactly the same thing I was thinking a month after I started WOW.  Leveling needed time (exp and skills), play with friends in dungeon need time, and wife is constantly demanding attention.  I was so exhausted.</p>
<p>So one day while I was fishing, I finally decided to make a bot.  A the fisher bot was born in 2 days.  Then later on the fighter bot.  I call it zoloFisher/zoloFighter because one of my friends allows me to use his site to publish it.  </p>
<p>So here are what the gamers really want:  A great gaming experience, where they can leveling relaxed, sometimes with challenge (we the gamer pick the challenge depend on our mode), socialize sometimes.</p>
<p>There will always be botters.  That is because  anyone with a real job and life will be hard pressed to squeeze the time to grind to 70, or spend 5 hours in raids.  Instead of trying to ban botters, Blizzard should think of ways to please the gamers better. </p>
<p>Below are some examples that I could think of:<br />
1.  Create dungeons that are soloable, but hard enough for the stupid bots.<br />
2.  Add more XP/rewards for quests to encourage players to play instead of botting.</p>
<p>Have you ever tried to block the flow of water in a stream?  See how hard that is?  If you try to lead it away, it is much easier.  Always lead, don&#8217;t block.
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		<title>by: Marius</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-20049</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hei!how do i get an wow glider? i rly need one..i dont have time for grinding my self..i have school and job so not much time for World of Warcraft..would be geart if you could answer me..thanks!=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hei!how do i get an wow glider? i rly need one..i dont have time for grinding my self..i have school and job so not much time for World of Warcraft..would be geart if you could answer me..thanks!=)
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