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	<title>Comments on: More on WoW Glider</title>
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		<title>by: Dan</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-53475</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Been reading alot about ALL this mess. Found WOW glider today after seeing a guy in the game do the same thing hour after hour. Another player pointed it out to me cause he was trying to beat the bot to a couple of the kills for his own quest. 

That is neither here nor there however i am just at work and surfing (I have a very boring job) about the program before i consider putting up the 25$ 

After some of the reading i have been doing here and else where it has doned on me. How much money does one company (or at least the CEO's the little guys always get the short end of the stick) need? Lets see what is it 20$ bucks a month times how many millions of players? I have always liked Blizzard for there games and look FWD to a specific new title they are bring out in the next few months (I Hope). So another company trys to step up with way to help the player who is spending hours playing and wants to make a fourtune in the process. There is no moral problem with this in my book there are several things in life that i am glad have been improved on and people who have made there money with these improvments. 

All of this being said in the american (Yes i live here) leagal system is no longer to protect the blue color, Working class, Small business people, or even the people who are there to inforce it (I.E. Police and other security type Personell. It is now there for BIG Buisnesses, Illeagal Immigrants, and Criminals. So in the end the glider program will loose the battle. In closing i think when i get off of work tonight i am going to go ahead and pay for it and run a bot all night long. See if i can get myself banned. Cause if they ban you you don't pay them. simple as that if i get banned then i'm out does not matter to me i have other things in life to do as well. 

On a final note the leagal system is this way cause we made this way with the first of many many stupid stupid lawsuits witch all started with an old lady, a hot cup of coffee, and the mcdonalds chain. WE DID THIS TO OURSELFS Now it is get all that can from anyone for anything. and that is what you are seeing here. America is imploding on itself with stupidity i hope i am not here when it happens. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been reading alot about ALL this mess. Found WOW glider today after seeing a guy in the game do the same thing hour after hour. Another player pointed it out to me cause he was trying to beat the bot to a couple of the kills for his own quest. </p>
<p>That is neither here nor there however i am just at work and surfing (I have a very boring job) about the program before i consider putting up the 25$ </p>
<p>After some of the reading i have been doing here and else where it has doned on me. How much money does one company (or at least the CEO&#8217;s the little guys always get the short end of the stick) need? Lets see what is it 20$ bucks a month times how many millions of players? I have always liked Blizzard for there games and look FWD to a specific new title they are bring out in the next few months (I Hope). So another company trys to step up with way to help the player who is spending hours playing and wants to make a fourtune in the process. There is no moral problem with this in my book there are several things in life that i am glad have been improved on and people who have made there money with these improvments. </p>
<p>All of this being said in the american (Yes i live here) leagal system is no longer to protect the blue color, Working class, Small business people, or even the people who are there to inforce it (I.E. Police and other security type Personell. It is now there for BIG Buisnesses, Illeagal Immigrants, and Criminals. So in the end the glider program will loose the battle. In closing i think when i get off of work tonight i am going to go ahead and pay for it and run a bot all night long. See if i can get myself banned. Cause if they ban you you don&#8217;t pay them. simple as that if i get banned then i&#8217;m out does not matter to me i have other things in life to do as well. </p>
<p>On a final note the leagal system is this way cause we made this way with the first of many many stupid stupid lawsuits witch all started with an old lady, a hot cup of coffee, and the mcdonalds chain. WE DID THIS TO OURSELFS Now it is get all that can from anyone for anything. and that is what you are seeing here. America is imploding on itself with stupidity i hope i am not here when it happens. </p>
<p>Have a great day&#8230;
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		<title>by: wowpanda</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-38766</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-38766</guid>
					<description>Agree with you about players faster than bots (because the game interface is designed for players, not bots).  

And I use bot too, with my my own bot.  I am playing this game because of my friends.  We played since college days, and not all of us has that much time ever again.  Myself play about 2 hours each week, and it is impossible to keep up with them.  Botting is the only way and I would have given up WOW years ago without my bot.

So I do believe bots help Blizzard, myself has been a loyal paying customer for 2+ years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you about players faster than bots (because the game interface is designed for players, not bots).  </p>
<p>And I use bot too, with my my own bot.  I am playing this game because of my friends.  We played since college days, and not all of us has that much time ever again.  Myself play about 2 hours each week, and it is impossible to keep up with them.  Botting is the only way and I would have given up WOW years ago without my bot.</p>
<p>So I do believe bots help Blizzard, myself has been a loyal paying customer for 2+ years now.
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		<title>by: William T</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-38649</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-38649</guid>
					<description>Sisca said: &quot; If you read their forums the major worry of the users is “delete the database plx or they’ll ban us!!”. &quot;


Nobody ever says that in those forums.  

I glide and sell accounts. You know what that means? an extra open account every time I sell. I'm helping blizzard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sisca said: &#8221; If you read their forums the major worry of the users is “delete the database plx or they’ll ban us!!”. &#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody ever says that in those forums.  </p>
<p>I glide and sell accounts. You know what that means? an extra open account every time I sell. I&#8217;m helping blizzard.
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		<title>by: veteran player</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-36620</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-36620</guid>
					<description>Its stupid, if they sue wow glider i demand that they let me 
win if i sue the whole weapon industry in the USA...

btw for &quot;the gamer&quot;
a true gamer doesnt care about bots 
couse he knows that a bot is always worse than a real skillfull player
if the bot is faster than you than its becouse you have no skills
and its not the fault of the bot that there are so many &quot;noobs&quot; in this
world
i for myself botted cause i gave up my first account (thought i wouldnt play
it ever again...) and now im not willing to do the same old stuff again
what i can tell you is: botting is way slower regarding /played time
the good thing is you can do something else at the same time
so without it i would stop paying for wow

-what blizz should do is imo pretend to stop the botters for the
customers who have heard only those bad storys and meanwhile
stop only the godlfarmers but let the botters allone
since they arent really affecting the rest of the playerbase</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its stupid, if they sue wow glider i demand that they let me<br />
win if i sue the whole weapon industry in the USA&#8230;</p>
<p>btw for &#8220;the gamer&#8221;<br />
a true gamer doesnt care about bots<br />
couse he knows that a bot is always worse than a real skillfull player<br />
if the bot is faster than you than its becouse you have no skills<br />
and its not the fault of the bot that there are so many &#8220;noobs&#8221; in this<br />
world<br />
i for myself botted cause i gave up my first account (thought i wouldnt play<br />
it ever again&#8230;) and now im not willing to do the same old stuff again<br />
what i can tell you is: botting is way slower regarding /played time<br />
the good thing is you can do something else at the same time<br />
so without it i would stop paying for wow</p>
<p>-what blizz should do is imo pretend to stop the botters for the<br />
customers who have heard only those bad storys and meanwhile<br />
stop only the godlfarmers but let the botters allone<br />
since they arent really affecting the rest of the playerbase
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		<title>by: wowpanda</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-31200</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-31200</guid>
					<description>LOL, same here, I would have given up a long time ago, but now I am in it day and night, partly for my old friend and guides, and partly for the excitement of hacking WOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, same here, I would have given up a long time ago, but now I am in it day and night, partly for my old friend and guides, and partly for the excitement of hacking WOW.
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		<title>by: Joshua Moye</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-31149</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-31149</guid>
					<description>I enjoy playing WoW. I have played for around 3 months now and have found it a chore to level a character. If blizzard would put more quests and ect into the game, (IE make it fun) then we probally wouldn't have programs created that do it for you. I have read all of this interview and i would like to say that you all have a VERY good point. I believe that blizzard has no right, though to tell a programmer what to do with there product they make. Programming isnt easy, and it makes me sad to see such a large company like blizzard to complain about such a minor issue. Why bann players that pay you money for your service. If they actually listen to the players, (still have not received a responce) then they could better the game. The only reason that i am still playing WoW is because of WoWglider (Glider). the game is fun and exciting, but gets borring around the higher levels. I understand the EULA/ToS and accepted it, but  seriously how much harm has this done? Why does blizzard insist on playing this game. They know they ar making money off every account, and im sure they are not loosing money. Im just a simple 20 year old male and want to play a game i pay for the way i want to play it. IF blizzard bans me, its not the end of the world. Just a video game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy playing WoW. I have played for around 3 months now and have found it a chore to level a character. If blizzard would put more quests and ect into the game, (IE make it fun) then we probally wouldn&#8217;t have programs created that do it for you. I have read all of this interview and i would like to say that you all have a VERY good point. I believe that blizzard has no right, though to tell a programmer what to do with there product they make. Programming isnt easy, and it makes me sad to see such a large company like blizzard to complain about such a minor issue. Why bann players that pay you money for your service. If they actually listen to the players, (still have not received a responce) then they could better the game. The only reason that i am still playing WoW is because of WoWglider (Glider). the game is fun and exciting, but gets borring around the higher levels. I understand the EULA/ToS and accepted it, but  seriously how much harm has this done? Why does blizzard insist on playing this game. They know they ar making money off every account, and im sure they are not loosing money. Im just a simple 20 year old male and want to play a game i pay for the way i want to play it. IF blizzard bans me, its not the end of the world. Just a video game.
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		<title>by: wowpanda</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-29820</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-29820</guid>
					<description>To Voice of the Gamer,

Marius said almost exactly the same thing I was thinking a month after I started WOW.  Leveling needed time (exp and skills), play with friends in dungeon need time, and wife is constantly demanding attention.  I was so exhausted.

So one day while I was fishing, I finally decided to make a bot.  A the fisher bot was born in 2 days.  Then later on the fighter bot.  I call it zoloFisher/zoloFighter because one of my friends allows me to use his site to publish it.  

So here are what the gamers really want:  A great gaming experience, where they can leveling relaxed, sometimes with challenge (we the gamer pick the challenge depend on our mode), socialize sometimes.

There will always be botters.  That is because  anyone with a real job and life will be hard pressed to squeeze the time to grind to 70, or spend 5 hours in raids.  Instead of trying to ban botters, Blizzard should think of ways to please the gamers better. 

Below are some examples that I could think of:
1.  Create dungeons that are soloable, but hard enough for the stupid bots.
2.  Add more XP/rewards for quests to encourage players to play instead of botting.

Have you ever tried to block the flow of water in a stream?  See how hard that is?  If you try to lead it away, it is much easier.  Always lead, don't block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Voice of the Gamer,</p>
<p>Marius said almost exactly the same thing I was thinking a month after I started WOW.  Leveling needed time (exp and skills), play with friends in dungeon need time, and wife is constantly demanding attention.  I was so exhausted.</p>
<p>So one day while I was fishing, I finally decided to make a bot.  A the fisher bot was born in 2 days.  Then later on the fighter bot.  I call it zoloFisher/zoloFighter because one of my friends allows me to use his site to publish it.  </p>
<p>So here are what the gamers really want:  A great gaming experience, where they can leveling relaxed, sometimes with challenge (we the gamer pick the challenge depend on our mode), socialize sometimes.</p>
<p>There will always be botters.  That is because  anyone with a real job and life will be hard pressed to squeeze the time to grind to 70, or spend 5 hours in raids.  Instead of trying to ban botters, Blizzard should think of ways to please the gamers better. </p>
<p>Below are some examples that I could think of:<br />
1.  Create dungeons that are soloable, but hard enough for the stupid bots.<br />
2.  Add more XP/rewards for quests to encourage players to play instead of botting.</p>
<p>Have you ever tried to block the flow of water in a stream?  See how hard that is?  If you try to lead it away, it is much easier.  Always lead, don&#8217;t block.
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		<title>by: Marius</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-20049</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-20049</guid>
					<description>Hei!how do i get an wow glider? i rly need one..i dont have time for grinding my self..i have school and job so not much time for World of Warcraft..would be geart if you could answer me..thanks!=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hei!how do i get an wow glider? i rly need one..i dont have time for grinding my self..i have school and job so not much time for World of Warcraft..would be geart if you could answer me..thanks!=)
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		<title>by: The Gamer</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-18848</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-18848</guid>
					<description>This is coming from a gamer's point of view...
   I've been playing WoW since it came out and have enjoyed playing this game since.  And one of the main reasons I like WoW more than most of the older MMO's is that they are strict on the whole &quot;cheating&quot; thing that goes on in a lot, if not all of the games.  Blizzard/WoW seems to actaully care and put effort in maintaining the game play value of the game.

But it becomes really frustrating, from a gamers stand point, to work hard at getting a char. LvL'd or maybe get him some nice gear just to see some freakin bot do what took you months, in a matter of a week!

So, in the eyes of a true gamer and in the case of WoW, those who use BoTs are people who just want to take the easy way to a good char.  Who havn't earned Anything that there char.'s have, or are.  They just clicked a button and went and watched tv for a couple weeks and then Presto!  They have what took a real gamer months and months to do.  

And I know what you are saying right now, &quot;Well it's 'gamers' who are useing this product.&quot;  No...  it's lazy-idiot-gamer-wanna-be's who are useing this product.  Ask any true gamer and they will tell you the same.  That anyone who has a product like WoWGlider has not &quot;earned&quot; anything that their char has, it was all just given to them on a sivler platter by people from MDY.

Now some of you may be saying, &quot;well that's not the point, the point is whether or not Blizz should have sued them, blah blah blah&quot;.  Ok I get that, congradualtions.  But to be honest, I just want companies like MDY to be shut down, cause I hate hackers (that's what we call people who use cheater services like WoWGlider).  And if it takes blizzard sueing them to stop the hackers, then by all means! Sue Away!  i don't care if ya got to burn the MDY head Quarters to the freakin ground. (Assuming there is an MDY head quarters) as long as ya stop the freakin hackers from playing in WoW.  It ruins the game play and pisses true gamers off.

I also noticecd that some in this forum said something along the lines of, &quot;WoWGlider is just making the product, it's the gamers that are useing them.  They are innocent.&quot;  Lol!  Let me give you a little analogy so you can hear how dumb you sound when you say that...  &quot;Well officer, all i do is make the crack!  Their the ones who actaully use it, arrest them!&quot;  And doesn't it say in the WoWGlider Forums that they Admit that this is illegal, and warn their cheater-users that they can get banned for useing their Illegal product.  lol  How are you people missing this!?  I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here! 

But long story shot, just remember, this is all from the eyes of a gamer.  Yes, the gamer.  The Very people that are directly impacted by these &quot;WoWGlider&quot; people.  The people who dont care how Bots are taken down, just that they are.  So go on with all your &quot;Do they have the right to do this, blah blah blah&quot; crap.  But just remember.  Blizzard gets the vote from the gamer.  Blizzard FTW!

love,
  The Voice of the Gamer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is coming from a gamer&#8217;s point of view&#8230;<br />
   I&#8217;ve been playing WoW since it came out and have enjoyed playing this game since.  And one of the main reasons I like WoW more than most of the older MMO&#8217;s is that they are strict on the whole &#8220;cheating&#8221; thing that goes on in a lot, if not all of the games.  Blizzard/WoW seems to actaully care and put effort in maintaining the game play value of the game.</p>
<p>But it becomes really frustrating, from a gamers stand point, to work hard at getting a char. LvL&#8217;d or maybe get him some nice gear just to see some freakin bot do what took you months, in a matter of a week!</p>
<p>So, in the eyes of a true gamer and in the case of WoW, those who use BoTs are people who just want to take the easy way to a good char.  Who havn&#8217;t earned Anything that there char.&#8217;s have, or are.  They just clicked a button and went and watched tv for a couple weeks and then Presto!  They have what took a real gamer months and months to do.  </p>
<p>And I know what you are saying right now, &#8220;Well it&#8217;s &#8216;gamers&#8217; who are useing this product.&#8221;  No&#8230;  it&#8217;s lazy-idiot-gamer-wanna-be&#8217;s who are useing this product.  Ask any true gamer and they will tell you the same.  That anyone who has a product like WoWGlider has not &#8220;earned&#8221; anything that their char has, it was all just given to them on a sivler platter by people from MDY.</p>
<p>Now some of you may be saying, &#8220;well that&#8217;s not the point, the point is whether or not Blizz should have sued them, blah blah blah&#8221;.  Ok I get that, congradualtions.  But to be honest, I just want companies like MDY to be shut down, cause I hate hackers (that&#8217;s what we call people who use cheater services like WoWGlider).  And if it takes blizzard sueing them to stop the hackers, then by all means! Sue Away!  i don&#8217;t care if ya got to burn the MDY head Quarters to the freakin ground. (Assuming there is an MDY head quarters) as long as ya stop the freakin hackers from playing in WoW.  It ruins the game play and pisses true gamers off.</p>
<p>I also noticecd that some in this forum said something along the lines of, &#8220;WoWGlider is just making the product, it&#8217;s the gamers that are useing them.  They are innocent.&#8221;  Lol!  Let me give you a little analogy so you can hear how dumb you sound when you say that&#8230;  &#8220;Well officer, all i do is make the crack!  Their the ones who actaully use it, arrest them!&#8221;  And doesn&#8217;t it say in the WoWGlider Forums that they Admit that this is illegal, and warn their cheater-users that they can get banned for useing their Illegal product.  lol  How are you people missing this!?  I feel like I&#8217;m taking crazy pills here! </p>
<p>But long story shot, just remember, this is all from the eyes of a gamer.  Yes, the gamer.  The Very people that are directly impacted by these &#8220;WoWGlider&#8221; people.  The people who dont care how Bots are taken down, just that they are.  So go on with all your &#8220;Do they have the right to do this, blah blah blah&#8221; crap.  But just remember.  Blizzard gets the vote from the gamer.  Blizzard FTW!</p>
<p>love,<br />
  The Voice of the Gamer
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		<title>by: Darren</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-17556</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/more-on-wow-glider/#comment-17556</guid>
					<description>Quite a lot of misinformation in this discussion.

Tortuous Interference is probabily the biggest thing on blizzards side here against MDY.. his program exists solely to induce people to break their contracts with Blizzard.  

Secondly is the DMCA, WoWGlider also loads WoW into a separate memory space to get around Blizzards copy protection and security methods which are implemented in their warden process.. thus violating the DMCA hands down.  Blizzard already won a similar cast to this and had it upheld in US District Court.

Thirdly, the EULA/TOS stipulation preventing reverse engineering has also been upheld in court and I dont see any way that MDY could have developed Glider without violating this clause.

Blizzard NEEDS to win this, and what they did to provoke MDY into sueing them borders on pure genious.. MDY did exactly what Blizzard wants them to do.. now Blizzard is on the defensive on this.. a much easier position to prove their claims from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a lot of misinformation in this discussion.</p>
<p>Tortuous Interference is probabily the biggest thing on blizzards side here against MDY.. his program exists solely to induce people to break their contracts with Blizzard.  </p>
<p>Secondly is the DMCA, WoWGlider also loads WoW into a separate memory space to get around Blizzards copy protection and security methods which are implemented in their warden process.. thus violating the DMCA hands down.  Blizzard already won a similar cast to this and had it upheld in US District Court.</p>
<p>Thirdly, the EULA/TOS stipulation preventing reverse engineering has also been upheld in court and I dont see any way that MDY could have developed Glider without violating this clause.</p>
<p>Blizzard NEEDS to win this, and what they did to provoke MDY into sueing them borders on pure genious.. MDY did exactly what Blizzard wants them to do.. now Blizzard is on the defensive on this.. a much easier position to prove their claims from.
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