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		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-63418</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 08:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: wowpanda</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-60052</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-60052</guid>
					<description>If you really looking to get banned, email me :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really looking to get banned, email me <img src='http://forge.ironrealms.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: john</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-60012</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-60012</guid>
					<description>Anyone know where i can get a wow glider ;] ?
I'm thinking of quitting, i could setup up my account to farm my friends some gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know where i can get a wow glider ;] ?<br />
I&#8217;m thinking of quitting, i could setup up my account to farm my friends some gold.
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		<title>by: Bobble</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-55308</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-55308</guid>
					<description>You know, this is interesting as I face a similar problem.  I own a large building near Toronto's city centre.  A few years ago, we redid the front entrance to the building and commissioned a large concrete sculpture to be integrated into the plaza in front of the doors.  The sculpture is large and pretty cool.  What I didn't forsee was that it would be a popular skateboarding attraction.

For a long time, we had tons of kids riding around on our sculpture.  This was a bit of a problem as they were a nuisance to the clientele of the shops in my building.  A lot of people started complaining so we started booting the kids off (with a great deal of protest), even though a lot of them did spend some money at the convenience store inside the lobby.  Of course, they always came back to play.

What I didn't know was that there was a particularly treacherous slope (or curve, or whatever) on the sculpture that was difficult to ride unless you were either a) incredibly skilled or b) bought some sort of modification kit that was made by local shop.  So a lot of kids bought this kit and would come back to skate on this particular feature of the sculpture (I guess it provided some sort of thrill you couldn't get elsewhere). 

So, because these kids scare off some of my other customers, and that shop is selling something that allows them to come back and use my sculpture in a way I didn't intend (and is costing me money), do I get to sue the shop selling the modification kit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this is interesting as I face a similar problem.  I own a large building near Toronto&#8217;s city centre.  A few years ago, we redid the front entrance to the building and commissioned a large concrete sculpture to be integrated into the plaza in front of the doors.  The sculpture is large and pretty cool.  What I didn&#8217;t forsee was that it would be a popular skateboarding attraction.</p>
<p>For a long time, we had tons of kids riding around on our sculpture.  This was a bit of a problem as they were a nuisance to the clientele of the shops in my building.  A lot of people started complaining so we started booting the kids off (with a great deal of protest), even though a lot of them did spend some money at the convenience store inside the lobby.  Of course, they always came back to play.</p>
<p>What I didn&#8217;t know was that there was a particularly treacherous slope (or curve, or whatever) on the sculpture that was difficult to ride unless you were either a) incredibly skilled or b) bought some sort of modification kit that was made by local shop.  So a lot of kids bought this kit and would come back to skate on this particular feature of the sculpture (I guess it provided some sort of thrill you couldn&#8217;t get elsewhere). </p>
<p>So, because these kids scare off some of my other customers, and that shop is selling something that allows them to come back and use my sculpture in a way I didn&#8217;t intend (and is costing me money), do I get to sue the shop selling the modification kit?
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		<title>by: Mirrikat45</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-54909</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-54909</guid>
					<description>It comes down to this: WoW glider would make exactly $0 if World of Warcraft didn't exist. Because Blizzard has to ban ppl who use the program (In breach of contract) blizzard losses $15/month per person banned per average life of a player. Which in Wow could be many years. So if you ban 1000 ppl  and the average is 3 years would be a loss of $540,000 And those are just small numbers. So in essence WoW Glider makes its money at the expense of World of Warcraft software and at the cost of Blizzard. Should Blizz get its money back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It comes down to this: WoW glider would make exactly $0 if World of Warcraft didn&#8217;t exist. Because Blizzard has to ban ppl who use the program (In breach of contract) blizzard losses $15/month per person banned per average life of a player. Which in Wow could be many years. So if you ban 1000 ppl  and the average is 3 years would be a loss of $540,000 And those are just small numbers. So in essence WoW Glider makes its money at the expense of World of Warcraft software and at the cost of Blizzard. Should Blizz get its money back?
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		<title>by: Matt</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-25800</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-25800</guid>
					<description>Nobody is disputing that Blizzard can simply ban you from the game if they don't like your style of play. That's all well and good.

The issue is suing a third-party, who really should not have to give a toss what Blizzard likes or doesn't like as they aren't the ones using Blizzard's service.

--matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is disputing that Blizzard can simply ban you from the game if they don&#8217;t like your style of play. That&#8217;s all well and good.</p>
<p>The issue is suing a third-party, who really should not have to give a toss what Blizzard likes or doesn&#8217;t like as they aren&#8217;t the ones using Blizzard&#8217;s service.</p>
<p>&#8211;matt
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		<title>by: ThreeGNinja</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-25798</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-25798</guid>
					<description>You do not own your character, you own a client.
You rent your characters out at the rate of appr. 15 American Dollars a month.
So yah, Blizzard can tell you how you can play...... Hence why I can't play by constantly cursing....... Hence why my style of play cant involve harassment.
IF you read the forums, someone almost got banned cause they used the dancing piccolo, its how they wanted to play but Blizzard says &quot;Nope, it disrupts other people, so you cant use our property that way&quot;

ktx, remember that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do not own your character, you own a client.<br />
You rent your characters out at the rate of appr. 15 American Dollars a month.<br />
So yah, Blizzard can tell you how you can play&#8230;&#8230; Hence why I can&#8217;t play by constantly cursing&#8230;&#8230;. Hence why my style of play cant involve harassment.<br />
IF you read the forums, someone almost got banned cause they used the dancing piccolo, its how they wanted to play but Blizzard says &#8220;Nope, it disrupts other people, so you cant use our property that way&#8221;</p>
<p>ktx, remember that.
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		<title>by: Rourke</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-15934</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 22:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-15934</guid>
					<description>Hmm I reread my comment, and I sound like an idiot, w/e you get the general idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm I reread my comment, and I sound like an idiot, w/e you get the general idea.
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		<title>by: Rourke</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-15933</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 22:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-15933</guid>
					<description>I have to agree, and disagree with you Arcadia, I totally beleive in what you say about how hacking should be considered always serious, but I also think that suing is out of the question in a 3rd party program. FFS guys blizzard makes a rough 3-5 hundred thousand dollars a day or more, they should spend a little of it making a better security system, not complaining cuz someone got free money,




Cheers , Rourke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree, and disagree with you Arcadia, I totally beleive in what you say about how hacking should be considered always serious, but I also think that suing is out of the question in a 3rd party program. FFS guys blizzard makes a rough 3-5 hundred thousand dollars a day or more, they should spend a little of it making a better security system, not complaining cuz someone got free money,</p>
<p>Cheers , Rourke
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		<title>by: The Arcadia</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-15880</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 05:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/21/blizzard-sues-wow-glider/#comment-15880</guid>
					<description>Despite how I feel about Bots and Hacks, being a mostly honest player (I use an FAQ or two sometimes, when my patience stat is not set to &quot;limitless&quot;) taken from the perspective that suing someone over virtual game property is rather rediculous, I have to agree.  It *is* rediculous to sue a third party or anyone for that matter over who gets more gold or gil or items or mushrooms in a computer game.  I think, however, that if this was a case of someone building a program that was targeting something a little more serious/important than a game, there would be no argument from the masses that what the suing company was doing was completely appropriate.  Even if there is no harm being done by the hack (just a &quot;joke&quot; or &quot;annoyance&quot;) the hacker just proved that he can infiltrate your system and as a matter of fact, anyone he sells the program to can as well.  The hacker calls it just a joke or no big deal, but someone else buying the program might use it to do something far more nefarious.   I think it might be wise of Blizzard to try to instead establish the precedent of &quot;We don't care what it's designed to do or who it targets, what you are doing to our system is unnaceptable and we believe it should be illegal so that we can protect ourselves.&quot;  We get angry when people hack our credit card numbers and hack our bank accounts and our &quot;secure&quot; government facilities (though sometimes it's funny when they haxx0r the gov't facilities...), but we ignore the hacking of something else less important because it's no big deal?  No one got hurt?  That's like saying speeding is only illegal when you maim/kill someone. Either hacking is wrong for everyone or it's wrong for no one.  Naive of me I know, but I still live in a world where I think everyone should try to play fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite how I feel about Bots and Hacks, being a mostly honest player (I use an FAQ or two sometimes, when my patience stat is not set to &#8220;limitless&#8221;) taken from the perspective that suing someone over virtual game property is rather rediculous, I have to agree.  It *is* rediculous to sue a third party or anyone for that matter over who gets more gold or gil or items or mushrooms in a computer game.  I think, however, that if this was a case of someone building a program that was targeting something a little more serious/important than a game, there would be no argument from the masses that what the suing company was doing was completely appropriate.  Even if there is no harm being done by the hack (just a &#8220;joke&#8221; or &#8220;annoyance&#8221;) the hacker just proved that he can infiltrate your system and as a matter of fact, anyone he sells the program to can as well.  The hacker calls it just a joke or no big deal, but someone else buying the program might use it to do something far more nefarious.   I think it might be wise of Blizzard to try to instead establish the precedent of &#8220;We don&#8217;t care what it&#8217;s designed to do or who it targets, what you are doing to our system is unnaceptable and we believe it should be illegal so that we can protect ourselves.&#8221;  We get angry when people hack our credit card numbers and hack our bank accounts and our &#8220;secure&#8221; government facilities (though sometimes it&#8217;s funny when they haxx0r the gov&#8217;t facilities&#8230;), but we ignore the hacking of something else less important because it&#8217;s no big deal?  No one got hurt?  That&#8217;s like saying speeding is only illegal when you maim/kill someone. Either hacking is wrong for everyone or it&#8217;s wrong for no one.  Naive of me I know, but I still live in a world where I think everyone should try to play fair.
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