Comments on: I Watch Porn for the Furniture http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/ A blog on virtual worlds, games, and digital content, from Matt Mihaly Tue, 06 Jan 2009 03:23:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.3 by: joseph http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-76833 Fri, 01 Aug 2008 04:31:31 +0000 http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-76833 cool post dude <a href="http://us.cyworld.com/umberto " rel="nofollow">adipex addiction</a> rzrii <a href="http://us.cyworld.com/kasian " rel="nofollow">buy ambien</a> sqvwk cool post dude adipex addiction rzrii buy ambien sqvwk

]]> by: Pro Game News » GameSetLinks: Green Monster Gonna Get Us! http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-17833 Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:57:12 +0000 http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-17833 [...] - There&#8217;s more friction between MMO bloggers and Second Life defender Wagner James Au again, with Iron Realms&#8217; Matt Mihaly blasting Mr. Au on his recent article, which claimed of a strip club in SL: &#8220;Entirely non-erotic are the furniture, the money, most of the textures, all the construction materials of the building, the fixtures, and more. Seen this way, maybe 10% of this location depicts commercial content that is unambiguously sexual.&#8221; Mihaly howls: &#8220;In fact, maybe that XXX movie you and your girlfriend rented last weekend shouldn’t be considered a sexual movie at all! I mean, think of the paint on the walls, and the carpet, not to mention the bed itself. None of that is sexual!&#8221; And then the flaming starts. [...] […] - There’s more friction between MMO bloggers and Second Life defender Wagner James Au again, with Iron Realms’ Matt Mihaly blasting Mr. Au on his recent article, which claimed of a strip club in SL: “Entirely non-erotic are the furniture, the money, most of the textures, all the construction materials of the building, the fixtures, and more. Seen this way, maybe 10% of this location depicts commercial content that is unambiguously sexual.” Mihaly howls: “In fact, maybe that XXX movie you and your girlfriend rented last weekend shouldn’t be considered a sexual movie at all! I mean, think of the paint on the walls, and the carpet, not to mention the bed itself. None of that is sexual!” And then the flaming starts. […]

]]> by: JuJutsu http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-10055 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:12:53 +0000 http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-10055 "Let’s face it, there’s adult content in SL. Does it matter what percentage it is?" Yes, it matters. “Let’s face it, there’s adult content in SL. Does it matter what percentage it is?”

Yes, it matters.

]]> by: crazy-games.net http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9839 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:27:32 +0000 http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9839 [...] - There&#8217;s more friction between MMO bloggers and Second Life defender Wagner James Au again, with Iron Realms&#8217; Matt Mihaly blasting Mr. Au on his recent article, which claimed of a strip club in SL: &#8220;Entirely non-erotic are the furniture, the money, most of the textures, all the construction materials of the building, the fixtures, and more. Seen this way, maybe 10% of this location depicts commercial content that is unambiguously sexual.&#8221; Mihaly howls: &#8220;In fact, maybe that XXX movie you and your girlfriend rented last weekend shouldn’t be considered a sexual movie at all! I mean, think of the paint on the walls, and the carpet, not to mention the bed itself. None of that is sexual!&#8221; And then the flaming starts. [...] […] - There’s more friction between MMO bloggers and Second Life defender Wagner James Au again, with Iron Realms’ Matt Mihaly blasting Mr. Au on his recent article, which claimed of a strip club in SL: “Entirely non-erotic are the furniture, the money, most of the textures, all the construction materials of the building, the fixtures, and more. Seen this way, maybe 10% of this location depicts commercial content that is unambiguously sexual.” Mihaly howls: “In fact, maybe that XXX movie you and your girlfriend rented last weekend shouldn’t be considered a sexual movie at all! I mean, think of the paint on the walls, and the carpet, not to mention the bed itself. None of that is sexual!” And then the flaming starts. […]

]]> by: Matt http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9742 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:21:32 +0000 http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9742 Thanks for the info, Prokofy. Your Playboy analogy is right on. --matt Thanks for the info, Prokofy. Your Playboy analogy is right on.

–matt

]]> by: Prokofy Neva http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9733 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:12:54 +0000 http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9733 I've blogged about this here: http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2007/02/i_started_this_.html As a former very unhappy neighbour of the Barbie Club (they kept so many avatars glued to their club on the pay-out dance-pads and sex rooms that often no one else could get on that sim), I can tell you that Hamlet couldn't have chosen a worse example. The Barbie owner and partners did a lot of their own building or enlisted those who supply the porn palaces. To try to extract out of all these textures, buildings, and furniture items something that is part of a putative "non-porn" business is truly laughable. I said it's like trying to focusing on the ads, articles, and bulk mail permit out of Playboy magazine and concluding that Playboy is only 5 percent about sex. I’ve blogged about this here:
http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2007/02/i_started_this_.html

As a former very unhappy neighbour of the Barbie Club (they kept so many avatars glued to their club on the pay-out dance-pads and sex rooms that often no one else could get on that sim), I can tell you that Hamlet couldn’t have chosen a worse example. The Barbie owner and partners did a lot of their own building or enlisted those who supply the porn palaces. To try to extract out of all these textures, buildings, and furniture items something that is part of a putative “non-porn” business is truly laughable. I said it’s like trying to focusing on the ads, articles, and bulk mail permit out of Playboy magazine and concluding that Playboy is only 5 percent about sex.

]]> by: Wagner James Au http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9658 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:12:22 +0000 http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9658 Actually, Reuben Steiger says this about his comment at SXSW: http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2007/02/a_census_of_sec.html#comment-60068614 If I am the source of that oft-quoted and admittedly arbitrary, absurd and altogether meaningless "30%", let me take a stab at explaining where it came from. At last year's SXSW, Peter Ludlow, gave a presentation pointing out the various unseemly bits of the Second Life economy. In it he discussed not only adult activities, but also griefers, and a variety of non-adult activities. As the token Linden in attendance, I was asked what percentage of the Second Life economy was "naughty" (isn't this beginning to sound a bit like a Monty Python skit?) I think what I said was something to the effect of "Naughty isn't something that you can do an SQL query against" and then went on to say that there's a healthy amount of it, just as in every promising early medium, the net included. Hamlet, I have to admit that I think your argument is a little lame. Let's face it, there's adult content in SL. Does it matter what percentage it is? Actually, Reuben Steiger says this about his comment at SXSW:

http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2007/02/a_census_of_sec.html#comment-60068614

If I am the source of that oft-quoted and admittedly arbitrary, absurd and altogether meaningless “30%”, let me take a stab at explaining where it came from.

At last year’s SXSW, Peter Ludlow, gave a presentation pointing out the various unseemly bits of the Second Life economy. In it he discussed not only adult activities, but also griefers, and a variety of non-adult activities. As the token Linden in attendance, I was asked what percentage of the Second Life economy was “naughty” (isn’t this beginning to sound a bit like a Monty Python skit?)

I think what I said was something to the effect of “Naughty isn’t something that you can do an SQL query against” and then went on to say that there’s a healthy amount of it, just as in every promising early medium, the net included.

Hamlet, I have to admit that I think your argument is a little lame. Let’s face it, there’s adult content in SL. Does it matter what percentage it is?

]]> by: Tony Walsh http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9650 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:14:47 +0000 http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9650 The "meme" about 30% of transactions in Second Life being sexual was initiated by Reuben Steiger (then a Linden Lab employee) at last year's SXSW conference in front of a panel audience. I was in attendance, and took notes. I object to the portrayal of this statistic as baseless, when in fact it came directly from Linden Lab. I posted about this yesterday on my own blog (I don't seem to be able to leave a direct link here), it's worth reading the comments. The “meme” about 30% of transactions in Second Life being sexual was initiated by Reuben Steiger (then a Linden Lab employee) at last year’s SXSW conference in front of a panel audience. I was in attendance, and took notes. I object to the portrayal of this statistic as baseless, when in fact it came directly from Linden Lab.

I posted about this yesterday on my own blog (I don’t seem to be able to leave a direct link here), it’s worth reading the comments.

]]> by: Eric http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9644 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:49:28 +0000 http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9644 "if the article in question..." I mean to say at the beginning of Para 3. Early morning typo. “if the article in question…” I mean to say at the beginning of Para 3. Early morning typo.

]]> by: Eric http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9643 Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:48:20 +0000 http://forge.ironrealms.com/2007/02/08/i-watch-porn-for-the-furniture/#comment-9643 Seems to me there are two very different things being argued here, with the bringing in of the comment "an industry's revenue is what it brings in, not what it spends." That's true, but I don't see any discussion of revenue in your article. I see a discussion of commercial activity. If a couch - virtual or real - is purchased by the porn industry for use in a porn film / strip club / whatever, then that transaction is commercial activity within the porn industry on the part of the purchaser, and the transaction is certainly related to sex. If rope is sold to a mafia hitman to tie up his victim, surely you consider that sale just as "crime-related" as if it had been a gun, even though the rope manufacturer did not intend and would not condone that use? If the article in were disputing a statement that a certain percentage of SL's economy consists of the *earnings* of the virtual porn industry, then your income statement would make more sense. But in terms of categorizing monetary transactions, if they're buying lamps to hang in a strip club, yes, that's a sex-related sale. Doesn't mean every sale the lamp maker makes is, but *that* sale is. Seems to me there are two very different things being argued here, with the bringing in of the comment “an industry’s revenue is what it brings in, not what it spends.” That’s true, but I don’t see any discussion of revenue in your article. I see a discussion of commercial activity.

If a couch - virtual or real - is purchased by the porn industry for use in a porn film / strip club / whatever, then that transaction is commercial activity within the porn industry on the part of the purchaser, and the transaction is certainly related to sex. If rope is sold to a mafia hitman to tie up his victim, surely you consider that sale just as “crime-related” as if it had been a gun, even though the rope manufacturer did not intend and would not condone that use?

If the article in were disputing a statement that a certain percentage of SL’s economy consists of the *earnings* of the virtual porn industry, then your income statement would make more sense. But in terms of categorizing monetary transactions, if they’re buying lamps to hang in a strip club, yes, that’s a sex-related sale. Doesn’t mean every sale the lamp maker makes is, but *that* sale is.

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