Linden shows its colors, again. Although I think Second Life is pretty neat (if not terribly useful aside from those who are entertained by scripting and 3d asset creation), I tend to be extremely cynical about Linden Labs, its developer. Occasionally I wonder if I’m being too harsh on them, and then I read this BBC article, which served to assure me that I’m not. Linden, as far as I can tell, operates on a policy of intentionally misleading and essentially lying to the press either directly or via their PR firm. Here are the relevant quotes out of the BBC article linked to above. The quote is from Joe Miller, their VP of platform and technology. In other words, someone who knows exactly what the performance limits of their setup is.
Mr. Miller is quoted as saying, “World of Warcraft touts a six million or larger active user base - but they shard their world off into smaller servers so you never see 16,000 people in the same place.”
Quite true, and nobody is going to argue with that. You will not see 16,000 people in the same place in WoW. Mr. Miller goes on to say, “That’s unlike Second Life, where tonight you will see 16,000 people enjoying exactly the same world all able to communicate with each other, all attending the same live music event should they wish to.”
Come again? Perhaps someone could explain how that is not a flat-out, bald-faced lie from the guy in charge of their technology? 16,000 people in Second Life attending the same live music event? Please. Second Life can barely handle 75 avatars in the same place before it starts having problems that make it effectively unusable. Try putting 1000 avatars somewhere, much less 16,000. The sound of the resulting crash will come milliseconds later, despite their CEO’s claim that they are “perfectly scalable.”
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December 6th, 2006 at 10:52 pm
Ben
Holy crap. I’m actually stunned by how blatant that lie is.
I’m not sure an event can even get near 75, it’s usually more like 20 (further compounded by avatars wearing 5000 prim samurai robot stripper costumes. With furry tails)
December 7th, 2006 at 12:18 am
Marc/Richter
I’m seeing a trend here.
And please, show me -any- game that can handle 16,000 people online in the same room without crashing it. That’s 16,000 moving, texting people, with gaudy outfits. I’d be surprised if they could break 100 without screwing everything up.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:05 am
Cael
EVE can manage 700 in Jita, but i wouldn’t want to go there when that happens.
December 7th, 2006 at 4:35 am
Van Hemlock
75? Hehe….most I ever saw in one place before the Sim died on it’s arse, was 34. Shenanigans!
December 7th, 2006 at 5:42 am
Andrew Crystall
Eve’s had over 1000 in Jita. It’s not THAT bad. Except, well, you have to wait in line behind about 100 people to get out. And In line behind 500 to get back on. Or to log back in should you crash in thete.
December 7th, 2006 at 6:56 am
Tony Walsh
Matt, great catch. What complete hogwash from LL. I’m aghast. The BBC boasted they had 6,000 avatars visiting their Radio1 SL festival earlier this year, but that was over a weekend. NBC had about 1,000 avatars at their SL event–which was *sharded* across 19 sims to support the traffic.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:20 am
Pentharian
If you break that into parts, you could feasibly make it believable. I’m not defending it, only trying to wrap my mind around something that seems so totally ridiculous. The first part is like this, and that’s believable:
“That’s unlike Second Life, where tonight you will see 16,000 people enjoying exactly the same world all able to communicate with each other”
It’s feasible that they’d have 16,000 people SOMEWHERE on the same server/world, and that those people are able to communicate with each other.
“all attending the same live music event should they wish to.”
If each of those 16,000 people come in groups of 50 over the course of the event, should the wish to, you could say they all attended the same live music event.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:26 am
Cael
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December 7th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
Brent Michael Krupp
Has Linden Labs gone public yet and/or been acquired for a huge amount of money by someone? (I’m too lazy to check) Maybe all the blatant lying to the press is their way of hyping themselves in hopes of a gigantic buyout/IPO pay-day. Come to think of it, they won’t do an IPO — this much lying would get them sent to prison with an IPO. They’ll just wait for deep-pocketed yet shallow-brained investors.
December 8th, 2006 at 7:45 am
Tony Walsh
Linden Lab is or isn’t for sale, depending on one’s interpretation. I believe the last word is “open” to sale or IPO, but not “looking” to sell or go public. A company rep recently commented on my blog that Linden Lab is creeping into the black.
The company received an $11M infusion last spring, and an $8M infusion in October, 2004.
December 8th, 2006 at 11:39 am
PlayNoEvil
Matt - I couldn’t trackback for some reason, but I have tried some analysis of Linden’s numbers:
http://www.playnoevil.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/1007-Second-Life-Math-How-Many-People-Are-Quitting-Second-Life-per-Day.html
December 8th, 2006 at 11:45 am
Matt
Is it possible my blog only allows pingbacks, not trackbacks?
Thanks btw.
December 8th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
Cael
@Tony:
“A company rep recently commented on my blog that Linden Lab is creeping into the black.”
I’m afraid i don’t believe that either.
December 26th, 2006 at 11:54 am
Rho
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/16319145.htm
Apparently SL just invented virtual holiday celebrations, too! Glad the media found this story.
Man, bay area papers just can’t get enough of Linden.
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