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	<title>Comments on: More Second Life Nonsense</title>
	<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/</link>
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		<title>by: Reno</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-80237</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>D= i have a secondlife account, and i need a fur skin for my avi.....can you help?</description>
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		<title>by: SLprofessional</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-67617</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-67617</guid>
					<description>I'm in SL for the live acoustic music and because my profession is working on using it for meetings and contacts, but frankly, SL is run in a completely unprofessional manner and is guilty of borderline direct scams when they sell land - evidently they need cash so bad right now that they will add load to their servers even as they block logins because of load - that drives down the value of the land they previously sold. So the most active users see hundreds of dollars in losses on small lots.

The also deliberately do not permit renaming of avatars (how long since even simple databases allowed changing of prime keys?). This, of course, results in those that are unhappy with their first avatar dumping large amounts of non-transferrable items when they start with their new avatar. Oh, yeah, more real dollars given to Linden Labs for buying duplicate non-items.

Finally, they have back up inventory data bases and can track items purchased by avatars that are later abandoned. Why does the State of California permit them to act as if these items are of no transactional value and don't require an abandoned property report? Just because their TOS says so? Doesn't work for other businesses. 

LL profiteers on the results of the decisions they make to not support their own users. The users need to wake up from their addiction that makes that possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in SL for the live acoustic music and because my profession is working on using it for meetings and contacts, but frankly, SL is run in a completely unprofessional manner and is guilty of borderline direct scams when they sell land - evidently they need cash so bad right now that they will add load to their servers even as they block logins because of load - that drives down the value of the land they previously sold. So the most active users see hundreds of dollars in losses on small lots.</p>
<p>The also deliberately do not permit renaming of avatars (how long since even simple databases allowed changing of prime keys?). This, of course, results in those that are unhappy with their first avatar dumping large amounts of non-transferrable items when they start with their new avatar. Oh, yeah, more real dollars given to Linden Labs for buying duplicate non-items.</p>
<p>Finally, they have back up inventory data bases and can track items purchased by avatars that are later abandoned. Why does the State of California permit them to act as if these items are of no transactional value and don&#8217;t require an abandoned property report? Just because their TOS says so? Doesn&#8217;t work for other businesses. </p>
<p>LL profiteers on the results of the decisions they make to not support their own users. The users need to wake up from their addiction that makes that possible.
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		<title>by: Kagehi</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-62962</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 02:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-62962</guid>
					<description>Like to throw in my two cents...

1) I figured, based on the horrible &quot;popular&quot; list and the like, that I might as well look around at some of these sex &quot;hot spots&quot;... I found exactly *1* that was populated with any significant number of people, and most of those where guys. The rest, 95% where human form, 3% where some sort of bot/camper in some lame area, and 2% where just wandering around, but not doing much. I had to really ***look*** to find places that actual SL people did actual SL sex in, and I still only found 3-4 sims that both cater to it, are not a tiny number of Gorian areas, and people actually can be found in. Where ever the image above came from... Its no place I have been. lol

2) Not everyone can design/script well, if at all, so there is &quot;some&quot; legitimate annoyance at how much you have to spend to get good quality items. If you plan to involve yourself in combat systems, RP, etc. you need DCS equipment, or some variation, and its not trivial to get that by making it. However, I am using flexi hair and legs from one furry vender, with a free flexy tail, and a free everything else. So, you can get &quot;free&quot; even for furry stuff. Its just not always going to be exactly perfect for what you want (imho, too much of the designs are almost as plasticky as the stupid furry head and tail you start with).

My real gripes have jack to do with the stuff that people here, who spent 1-2 days wandering around the botted high-profile, garbage heaps of SL, if they bothered spending that long, saw, but that a) you its damn hard to find stuff beyond that initially, b) the stuff you can find is... not that impressive (sorry Linden, your &quot;see this&quot; list of things you hand out stinks, and some of it isn't even accurate) and c) Too many groups that have some sort of RP are either over restrictive on character types, over bearing in their &quot;theme&quot;, too narrow in that theme for all but very narrow groups of people to have an interest, or too &quot;combat&quot; oriented.

I have yet to find one that fits my vision of things, and I have looked every place from the so called elven empires to CARP (though not seriously in the later case as an RP place). The only one so far I didn't get told &quot;at the door&quot; that I would have to become something else, besides a fox, or conform to some silly sub-group, because their combat/rule system only allowed X, Y or Z, and if you look even a little like Z, you *are* Z, has ironically been the Arizona Tombstone area. I don't doubt I will get grumbled at staying as I am if I apply, but I am going to try for a sort of &quot;fox/coyote&quot; persona, complete with script to magically change everything from my clothes to my weapons, while hidden in a dust devil. I mean, they have Indians, I don't see why I can't become the local &quot;Indian legend&quot;. lol And, how the heck hard should it be for someone to RP that they can't &quot;tell&quot; I am a fox until I do something to trick them, or the like?

Its an idea, and the best I can manage so far, in an environment I wouldn't mind spending time in, instead of under the thumb of some horrible set of rules that don't just limit what I am, or deny it, but force it to be something else. Until someone comes up with a better option...

In any case, some people here need to get their immature heads out of their tails and ask themselves if maybe their &quot;bad&quot; experience didn't have more to do with their attitudes and how they &quot;looked&quot; at, for, and around the world, not the world itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like to throw in my two cents&#8230;</p>
<p>1) I figured, based on the horrible &#8220;popular&#8221; list and the like, that I might as well look around at some of these sex &#8220;hot spots&#8221;&#8230; I found exactly *1* that was populated with any significant number of people, and most of those where guys. The rest, 95% where human form, 3% where some sort of bot/camper in some lame area, and 2% where just wandering around, but not doing much. I had to really ***look*** to find places that actual SL people did actual SL sex in, and I still only found 3-4 sims that both cater to it, are not a tiny number of Gorian areas, and people actually can be found in. Where ever the image above came from&#8230; Its no place I have been. lol</p>
<p>2) Not everyone can design/script well, if at all, so there is &#8220;some&#8221; legitimate annoyance at how much you have to spend to get good quality items. If you plan to involve yourself in combat systems, RP, etc. you need DCS equipment, or some variation, and its not trivial to get that by making it. However, I am using flexi hair and legs from one furry vender, with a free flexy tail, and a free everything else. So, you can get &#8220;free&#8221; even for furry stuff. Its just not always going to be exactly perfect for what you want (imho, too much of the designs are almost as plasticky as the stupid furry head and tail you start with).</p>
<p>My real gripes have jack to do with the stuff that people here, who spent 1-2 days wandering around the botted high-profile, garbage heaps of SL, if they bothered spending that long, saw, but that a) you its damn hard to find stuff beyond that initially, b) the stuff you can find is&#8230; not that impressive (sorry Linden, your &#8220;see this&#8221; list of things you hand out stinks, and some of it isn&#8217;t even accurate) and c) Too many groups that have some sort of RP are either over restrictive on character types, over bearing in their &#8220;theme&#8221;, too narrow in that theme for all but very narrow groups of people to have an interest, or too &#8220;combat&#8221; oriented.</p>
<p>I have yet to find one that fits my vision of things, and I have looked every place from the so called elven empires to CARP (though not seriously in the later case as an RP place). The only one so far I didn&#8217;t get told &#8220;at the door&#8221; that I would have to become something else, besides a fox, or conform to some silly sub-group, because their combat/rule system only allowed X, Y or Z, and if you look even a little like Z, you *are* Z, has ironically been the Arizona Tombstone area. I don&#8217;t doubt I will get grumbled at staying as I am if I apply, but I am going to try for a sort of &#8220;fox/coyote&#8221; persona, complete with script to magically change everything from my clothes to my weapons, while hidden in a dust devil. I mean, they have Indians, I don&#8217;t see why I can&#8217;t become the local &#8220;Indian legend&#8221;. lol And, how the heck hard should it be for someone to RP that they can&#8217;t &#8220;tell&#8221; I am a fox until I do something to trick them, or the like?</p>
<p>Its an idea, and the best I can manage so far, in an environment I wouldn&#8217;t mind spending time in, instead of under the thumb of some horrible set of rules that don&#8217;t just limit what I am, or deny it, but force it to be something else. Until someone comes up with a better option&#8230;</p>
<p>In any case, some people here need to get their immature heads out of their tails and ask themselves if maybe their &#8220;bad&#8221; experience didn&#8217;t have more to do with their attitudes and how they &#8220;looked&#8221; at, for, and around the world, not the world itself.
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		<title>by: Fox</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-58453</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I too &quot;play&quot; SL. I say it in quotes because SL first off is not a game. It is a virtual world that happens to have some games in it. Yes I play a furry in SL and you can guess what kind. But I have maybe spent 25 dollars at most in SL and that was just to get a jump start so I could look at how these things were scripted and put together. I have since become a fairly competent designer and haven't had to spend anymore money than my original and well worth it investment. I have fun in SL and talk to people though I do avoid the Yiff and sex areas. (Not into porn) and I find the areas that don't have that kind of stuff far out number the areas that do. Also for those that would like to avoid those porn yiff areas just stay out of the sky and near the ground, that should help you a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too &#8220;play&#8221; SL. I say it in quotes because SL first off is not a game. It is a virtual world that happens to have some games in it. Yes I play a furry in SL and you can guess what kind. But I have maybe spent 25 dollars at most in SL and that was just to get a jump start so I could look at how these things were scripted and put together. I have since become a fairly competent designer and haven&#8217;t had to spend anymore money than my original and well worth it investment. I have fun in SL and talk to people though I do avoid the Yiff and sex areas. (Not into porn) and I find the areas that don&#8217;t have that kind of stuff far out number the areas that do. Also for those that would like to avoid those porn yiff areas just stay out of the sky and near the ground, that should help you a lot.
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		<title>by: Z</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-45422</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-45422</guid>
					<description>Ya, I agree, all that you wrote is just a way of looking down on it.  I can point out everything on any game / world / system and only talk about the negatives, and make it seems like garbage.   Furry sex is not the main thing in sl,  you dont need to spend 75 dollars in 3 days.. my god what did you do?  say &quot;I cant build a cube and want neat things so i have to buy it&quot;   Go look around,  theirs soooo many freebie things, scripts, groups to talk to and learn. the money market in secondlife is actually one of the very few games / worlds that i know of where the creators of the game want a market.  Most markets start when someone playing wow says, &quot;hey, i want some money for my 100 hours waisted here,    So im gonna sell it on ebay illegally!&quot; They designed a world for artists to show their work,  for you to be able to make a buck, legally via a economy monitored heavily by the lindens.  And the most that linden labs really takes from users is  for land,  If you dont plan on owning land, then you basically can live freely in secondlife... And the land structure is going to change soon anyhow, making it cheaper to own land in the end...  You have the ability to express yourself by building whatever you want,  or just sit around and talk to whoever.  Keep in mind its near 2am my time, and i just ran across this very biased post on secondlife,  and had to respond.   Wow.. that image is interesting, cant say ive walked in on anything quite like that... I bet u had to go somewhere and spy on someone to get that image..  Or you found it online off of some yiffing page.

-Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, I agree, all that you wrote is just a way of looking down on it.  I can point out everything on any game / world / system and only talk about the negatives, and make it seems like garbage.   Furry sex is not the main thing in sl,  you dont need to spend 75 dollars in 3 days.. my god what did you do?  say &#8220;I cant build a cube and want neat things so i have to buy it&#8221;   Go look around,  theirs soooo many freebie things, scripts, groups to talk to and learn. the money market in secondlife is actually one of the very few games / worlds that i know of where the creators of the game want a market.  Most markets start when someone playing wow says, &#8220;hey, i want some money for my 100 hours waisted here,    So im gonna sell it on ebay illegally!&#8221; They designed a world for artists to show their work,  for you to be able to make a buck, legally via a economy monitored heavily by the lindens.  And the most that linden labs really takes from users is  for land,  If you dont plan on owning land, then you basically can live freely in secondlife&#8230; And the land structure is going to change soon anyhow, making it cheaper to own land in the end&#8230;  You have the ability to express yourself by building whatever you want,  or just sit around and talk to whoever.  Keep in mind its near 2am my time, and i just ran across this very biased post on secondlife,  and had to respond.   Wow.. that image is interesting, cant say ive walked in on anything quite like that&#8230; I bet u had to go somewhere and spy on someone to get that image..  Or you found it online off of some yiffing page.</p>
<p>-Cheers
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		<title>by: Megamod</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-43455</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow, I just had to comment on this.
The security threats present in an application like SL are immense.
With the internet (webpages), you are forced to think before you click the post button when talking to people, in SL, the instant freedom of speach will mean that information being stored from everyones conversations can be data mined from hackers, which later turns to fraud on a huge scale.
Also note, that conversations in second life can be listened to at will by those with the right knowledge.
My advice, get out before you do anything you'll regret. There is no line, the virtual world can &amp;#38; will effect your real-life if you're not careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I just had to comment on this.<br />
The security threats present in an application like SL are immense.<br />
With the internet (webpages), you are forced to think before you click the post button when talking to people, in SL, the instant freedom of speach will mean that information being stored from everyones conversations can be data mined from hackers, which later turns to fraud on a huge scale.<br />
Also note, that conversations in second life can be listened to at will by those with the right knowledge.<br />
My advice, get out before you do anything you&#8217;ll regret. There is no line, the virtual world can &amp; will effect your real-life if you&#8217;re not careful.
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		<title>by: Okiphi</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-33137</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-33137</guid>
					<description>You state that Furries are the largest interest group in SL... I find that nonsense. I, myself, am a furry, and find many places where the lkifestyle is shunned, and not nearly as many where it is embraced. Yes, the most common custom AV is a furry, but that is because it's one of the only things you really need a custom av for is, well, furry! If you go to the wrong place, yes you'll see plenty of furry, but in my experience, there is far more human interaction going on. And the sex in second life, while predominant, is generally not just &quot;I TPed and saw an orgy!&quot;. Sure, occasionally something like that could happen, but unless you are actively looking for it, its not as likely, since there are specific places for sex in SL, as well as your own homes to do whatever you like in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You state that Furries are the largest interest group in SL&#8230; I find that nonsense. I, myself, am a furry, and find many places where the lkifestyle is shunned, and not nearly as many where it is embraced. Yes, the most common custom AV is a furry, but that is because it&#8217;s one of the only things you really need a custom av for is, well, furry! If you go to the wrong place, yes you&#8217;ll see plenty of furry, but in my experience, there is far more human interaction going on. And the sex in second life, while predominant, is generally not just &#8220;I TPed and saw an orgy!&#8221;. Sure, occasionally something like that could happen, but unless you are actively looking for it, its not as likely, since there are specific places for sex in SL, as well as your own homes to do whatever you like in.
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		<title>by: Forsythe</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-24616</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-24616</guid>
					<description>Oh, and Rhyke?  You've never been, but you can validate what it's like?  You're funny.</description>
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		<title>by: Forsythe</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-24614</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've been playing on SL on &amp;#38; off for the better part of a year now, I'm not into furries, and I've got to say... most of you folks crack me up.
1) The furries are a highly-visible but ultimately harmless minority.
2) This is a game for socializing and creating, so adrenaline junkies get bored and leave (this is a Good Thing).
3) As Bucked CHocklit said, it's another world - earn your stripes, don't just expect to know and have everything when you 1st log on.
4) Too many Americans have this hypocritical &quot;ewwww, other people are having sex, get it away!  get it away! ohh, you want me?  let's do it!&quot; attitude - grow up, folks (note, I'm American)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been playing on SL on &amp; off for the better part of a year now, I&#8217;m not into furries, and I&#8217;ve got to say&#8230; most of you folks crack me up.<br />
1) The furries are a highly-visible but ultimately harmless minority.<br />
2) This is a game for socializing and creating, so adrenaline junkies get bored and leave (this is a Good Thing).<br />
3) As Bucked CHocklit said, it&#8217;s another world - earn your stripes, don&#8217;t just expect to know and have everything when you 1st log on.<br />
4) Too many Americans have this hypocritical &#8220;ewwww, other people are having sex, get it away!  get it away! ohh, you want me?  let&#8217;s do it!&#8221; attitude - grow up, folks (note, I&#8217;m American)
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		<title>by: iplayahornypedofurryinSL</title>
		<link>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-22925</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://forge.ironrealms.com/2006/11/10/more-second-life-nonsense/#comment-22925</guid>
					<description>What every one of you fail to realize is that you're passing up a great opportunity to give the 'snaggle-tooth' on some pretty stupid &quot;gamers&quot;

There's a farm for you all to harvest and the noobs who spend 75 bucks could've spent all that buying ugly poorly made garments that I made in 15 minutes and one of those kinds of persons comes along every other week. As for the choice in furry, I support yiff because the furry population is imo the largest consumer group in small-medium sales and often spit out some of the finger equipment in the game, for example; populated clubs that have actual players playing and talking and buying and yiffing and having fun.

I giggle at those individuals who sit in chair for 19 days earning 3 Linden an hour or whatever to populate some b.s. casino. L2Build. Building is free, make your own damn avatar and your own damn clothes and stop buying shit if you noobs are gonna bitch-fest like you got RIPPED OFF by somebody. QQ, cry more. If you don't like spending money cause you don't know how to make a few squares and circles then go play world of warcraft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What every one of you fail to realize is that you&#8217;re passing up a great opportunity to give the &#8217;snaggle-tooth&#8217; on some pretty stupid &#8220;gamers&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a farm for you all to harvest and the noobs who spend 75 bucks could&#8217;ve spent all that buying ugly poorly made garments that I made in 15 minutes and one of those kinds of persons comes along every other week. As for the choice in furry, I support yiff because the furry population is imo the largest consumer group in small-medium sales and often spit out some of the finger equipment in the game, for example; populated clubs that have actual players playing and talking and buying and yiffing and having fun.</p>
<p>I giggle at those individuals who sit in chair for 19 days earning 3 Linden an hour or whatever to populate some b.s. casino. L2Build. Building is free, make your own damn avatar and your own damn clothes and stop buying shit if you noobs are gonna bitch-fest like you got RIPPED OFF by somebody. QQ, cry more. If you don&#8217;t like spending money cause you don&#8217;t know how to make a few squares and circles then go play world of warcraft.
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